“The trail to bin Laden did not begin with a disclosure from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed”
Does not refute anything. Ok, it didn’t ‘begin’ with Khalid...but could they have found Bin Laden without Khalid?
And the other part is rich - we didn’t torture the guy, we just sent him to a foreign prison...and he decided to talk. I have a sneaky suspicion that many people in these foreign prisons long for the easy-going days of Gitmo, and would gladly do a few waterboarding sessions, over the treatment they are getting.
And this is where McCain’s logic is flawed. I know he was beat and pain was inflicted on him in prison...waterboarding is not the same. There has to be a bright line between what is a useful technique and what is torture...somewhere as you progress from yelling, dark rooms, slapping, punching, water-boarding, and pulling out finger nails. McCain draws the line at waterboarding. I draw it at pulling finger nails (maybe).
Speaking of torture, if you haven't seen the movie "Unthinkable" with Samuel L. Jackson (probably his best performance since Snakes on a plane Pulp Fiction), check it out.