Posted on 05/11/2011 12:16:52 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
we’ve been trying it your way for sometime now and it has not worked...its time to try something else.
It’s gone almost a century without the question of adding it back into the pharmacopoeia being considered without WODders lobbing in continually begged questions and many an error of logic. Some medicos aver that acetylmorphine (aka heroin) would be OK, and more comfortable than morphine, in palliative oral potions given to the known terminally ill, since getting hooked doesn’t matter if you’re going to die anyhow.
Not to mention the corruption, the duplicity, prison overcrowding, contempt for the law and disrespect of police officers. That's just a few of the problems the WOsD has created.
I thought he argued for the right of the state(s) to determine their laws regarding such substances and behaviours. (see: Nevada)
Laws do not cause people to be moral. In fact you can't make anyone be moral. The purpose of a law is not to coerce someone to do that which is right, but to punish those that commit do wrong.
Drugs cannot be legalized without getting rid of the welfare apparatus. It would equate to the Cloward-Piven strategy but in more of a hurry.
we’ve been trying it your way for sometime now and it has not worked...its time to try something else.
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I almost wish California had pased Prop. 19. By now we would have seen the disasterous results. And yes - I would be the first to say “I told you so”.
But for now - we conservatives have to fight harder against the liberals who want to legitimize the cartels and legalize drugs.
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This is the reason (among others) that Ron Paul can not be taken seriously.
He actually supports funding the people that are killing our troops.
If the self-defense standard does not include the right to restrain druggies who disturb your peace, there's no freedom of any kind for anybody.
I think you people have no idea how normal non-addicts think of you. We are currently restrained by law and we respect the law. You get many more of your kind out there we are not going to respect the law as much, nor will be restrained.
It'll be like the Guelphs and Ghibellines in Italy.
How well has legalization worked for Denmark especially Amsterdam?
They still have problems with addicts and pushers and the mafia. None of the criminal elements went away. And because of it’s legality it has lost any stigma it had with being associated as low class or evil and more people are willing to give it a try. Problem is that heroin and many opium based drugs are very addictive and once you try them you just can’t drop them.
The call to legalize all drugs is as crazy as the call to institute socialism. To put in place a destructive means in place of one that works is pure anarchy and that’s all libertarianism is. Anarchy.
Before you go throwing the word “idiot” about, it might do you a little bit of good to do a little research into how Prohibition influenced not only organized crime, but how it influenced drinking patterns and alcohol content.
For example, did you know that Everclear was created in response to Prohibition? Did you know that prior to Prohibition, the rich drank wine, the poor drank beer; and the ‘drunks’ drank liquor. Prior to Prohibition, the consumption of Vodka, Whiskey, Bourbon and other high alcoholic drinks was considered a social ‘taboo’.
Thanks to the blessings of Prohibtion, Vodka, Tenn. Whiskey/Bourgon, Tequilla are now in vogue. It’s far more profitable to smuggle a barrel of whiskey, than a few cases of beer.
Conversely, thanks to our counter-productive ‘War on Drugs’; what started out as Cocaine has turned into Rock Cocaine and now Crystal Meth. That’s progress - it’s more potent, more addictive, more profitable and more dangerous.
Care to compare the THC content of pop from the 70’s with what we have today? For some UNKNOWN and suspiciously magical reason, Pot plants have over 10x the THC content today, than they had just 20 years ago. Ever wonder why this happens?
We now have more potent, more damaging and more addictive drugs on the market today - than we did just a few years ago. Why? Because the War on Drugs is counter-productive.
How many innocents have to die, before you allow a degenerate to consume the poison he wants (and is willing to kill you, me, my family and yours - in order to satisfy his insatiable need).
Make it legal, make it pure, make it economical - this will bankrupt the drug cartels. Yes, we will essentially ‘write-off’ a large percentage of our population. Call it cleaning up the gene pool, call it weeding out the weak. But, unless you have been living under a rock; the war on drugs has been a collassal waste of time, money and effort.
But don’t ask me ... talk to the families of the 30,000+ dead along the Mexican border.
“Sorry, bro. Got to go against the WOsD.”
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Understood. Got it. And with Ron Paul as your boy - why you should go far.
~smirk~
The WoD only exists because the fact of the matter is that too many people can’t behave properly and are problems for society. You can try and punish people but I think we can all see that it has limits.
Ultimately you need to change society’s perception of consumption being acceptable. Unfortunately there’s a large enough segment of the media and pop culture that condones it.
Not only that, he’s gone open-borders.
I agree he is correct on this issue. the WOD has cost us more freedom than it is worth.
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You contradict yourself. Laws ARE moral. But you are right to say "The purpose of a law is not to coerce someone to do that which is right, but to punish those that commit do wrong." And because that is true; Laws do not cause people to be moral.
Then, just like in China in an earlier time, the users will be disposed of as well.
The only proven way to control dope on the cheap is to KILL THE USERS ~ that dries up the market like nothing else.
You want this to become like China? I don't think you could handle it.
Obamacare, anyone?
Ron Paul also voted for Gays in the military.
Ron Paul 2012 - Because American needs legal heroin
That’s gonna be a winner!
I heard a figure today-—maybe on Rush. 24,000 deaths on both sides of the border in the last decade.
Our problems are much deeper than Europe’s. They involve more than mere addiction, they involve cold-blooded murder, naked corruption, and intimidation of entire communities.
BTW, I have a close friend in Amsterdam. I posed that question to him a while back (He is NOT a drug user, nor am I). He said the problem is quite exaggerated in terms of public safety. Sure, there are stoners but they don’t have to deal with gunmen.
Denmark I know a little about myself. What I saw there were DRUNKEN TEENAGERS, since there was no drinking age and kids would ferry over from Sweden to join the local teens in getting sloshed. But dopers? If I saw any, they were very discreet about it.
Look what legalizing some forms of gambling did to the mob. Hurt them real bad. Legalizing drugs would leave them with very little to deal in, compared to the bad old days.
If people want the shiite, who are you or me to stop them? They will get the junk somewhere at the enrichment of gangsters and at the expense of the taxpayers.
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