Posted on 05/11/2011 9:17:14 AM PDT by petitfour
The Pima County Regional SWAT team fired 71 shots in seven seconds at a Tucson man they say pointed a gun at officers serving a search warrant at his home. Jose Guerena, 26, a former Marine who served in Iraq twice, was holding an AR-15 rifle when he was killed, but he never fired a shot, the Sheriff's Department said Monday after initially saying he had fired on officers during last week's raid.
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Yes is the answer to both your questions.
The purpose of the police is now to control you.
In their eyes, you[we]are, at best, criminals that have not been arrested yet.
There was a time when, at least where I live, that the police were on the side of the law abiding citizen. In Plant City they still are, but, the Sheriff Department is a different story.
Our 'factor' does not appear to be one of the good ones, sadly.
Why would you want to be in a "uni" that murders people... simply because they can get away with it?
Something needs to change before the natives start picking up torches and pitchforks.
Let's be clear. The police and judge decided this had to be a dynamic entry warrant - where the police break in the door and swarm in with weapons drawn. Whether or not this is a "bad guy", the "justice" system decided he had to be accosted in a violent, armed manner in order to see if he was doing something illegal.
When accosted in this manner, the man decided to try and protect himself and his family. Even if he's only protecting himself and a stash of drugs, he is in his own house, and is confronted with armed men swarming into his dwelling, and he chose to exercise his second amendment right to defend himself by grabbing a weapon and preparing to fire if necessary.
The Marine Corps veteran chose to not immediately fire, despite being accosted by the violent entry. He chose to try and understand what was happening before using deadly force.
The police, on the other hand, saw a weapon and assessed the threat to their lives, and decided it was more prudent to use deadly force against a presumably legally armed suspect rather than to stay their trigger fingers and try to resolve the situation (which they escalated through their entry tactics) without deadly violence.
The Marine practiced restraint, and you have stated that his restraint killed him. I presume you meant that his choice to exercise his second amendment rights was the cause, but it really was his restraint - if he had opened up immediately and sought cover, he may have survived to be tried.
The root cause of this death was the decision to use a dynamic entry tactic, not the man's legal (and restrained) exercise of his second amendment rights.
But you insist HE chose his fate.
One question... Do citizens of the United States have inalienable rights or not?
One follow up... Are inalienable rights alienated at the decision of a police department and judge, or perhaps is there a new, abridged definition of the word "inalienable"?
5 innocents the last 5 years? Yeah, epidemic.
No, he merely speaks about important policy changes that would improve his unit.
And yes, that makes him my 'buddy', at least in terms of trying to reform some out of control systems and groups that have evidenced some horrendous excesses.
I'm speechless.
IIRC...”thefactor” here is on a task force charged with fighting the menace of counterfiet shoes, clothes, CD’s, dvd’s on the streets of NYC.
Is that right factor?
“Which is worse when it comes to criminal justice?”
This wasn’t about criminal justice -that occurs in the courts. This was about law enforcement. So, what laws are upheld or enforced by a squad of paramilitaries going to a man’s home and shooting him in front of his family? That wasn’t even allowed in Iraq!
Well said.
If this demonstrates your level of evidenciary collection skills, most of your cases ought to be questioned due to incompetence issues.
I don't know of any reason it can't be both - stupidity for doing it, and conspiracy for trying to cover it up.
As far as which is worse, I'd say the consipracy. The stupidity gets the first person killed. The conspiracy gets all the rest that follow killed because they got to go right on being stupid.
Oh sure...We all know the courts, judges and law enforcement don't support each other...lol
I could bore you with my beliefs on how I think every law abiding citizen in this city should be able to conceal carry, about how I treat the people I arrest, about how I perform my military duties, about how I help many more people than I hurt. But you wouldn’t care because you don’t like how Pima County executes warrants. And that’s fine. I’ll just have to live without your approval.
+1, good post.
Oh, he's a criminal now. So, there's the verdict...I guess he got his swift sentence too, eh?
Disgraceful.
So basically he’s a “Mall Cop”?
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