Posted on 05/11/2011 9:17:14 AM PDT by petitfour
The Pima County Regional SWAT team fired 71 shots in seven seconds at a Tucson man they say pointed a gun at officers serving a search warrant at his home. Jose Guerena, 26, a former Marine who served in Iraq twice, was holding an AR-15 rifle when he was killed, but he never fired a shot, the Sheriff's Department said Monday after initially saying he had fired on officers during last week's raid.
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Just tragic...over kill on this stupid out of control War onDrugs...This WOD has created MORE problems than it has solved...It has gone on as a huge money making enterprise, has had ZERO decline in drugs ( quite the opposite) and lines the pockets of LEA, politicans, etc.
It would be one thing if the WOD made sense or had results...but these stupid arguments”Well, what if we just legalized everything and everyone went crazy and stuff so we have to keep doing this and these tactics??” is not a good policy or strategy.
The whole WOD has never been rethought or modified to get results and make sense in 50 years! Its doing the same thing we have done for the last half century and expecting different results.Only now you have given LEA the license to kill people and dogs...all in the name of ‘protecting the chillun’”
I am pro law enforcement, but with a strategy that makes sense and get us results we want.
Stop with the drama, cupcake. All we have are assumptions. But at least the law’s assumptions led a judge to sign a warrant. Innocent until proven guilty applies to people who are arrested. People walking around on the streets ARE innocent. People who get locked up are PRESUMED innocent. Forgot that little word there, didn’t ya?
They thought it was David Koresh.
“To defend the premise of the no-knock raid tells me you are an avowed enemy of the Constitution, and of Natural Rights. “
Exactly. No-knock raids are good for collecting evidence. So is beating the hell out of the suspect, or shooting one bad guy in the head and telling the others to talk. But we don’t do those because of the presumption of innocence.
If a cop shows up at my door and wants to talk, I want to make reasonably sure he is for real before talking about anything. And I’m not interested in anyone claiming to be a cop coming into my home until I have verification AND a warrant.
You forgot the dog, though. Gotta shoot the dog, or even better, the horse.
No it is not right. There are many ways to arrest alleged drug dealers, and that is assuming that the government has a proper role in sustaining a War on Drugs.
SWAT is used way to often to simply serve warrants and make routine arrest. SWAT should only be used for terrorist of hostage situations.
There’s gotta be a better way. Take a look at a post by ‘Nip’. He seems to be a SWAT but he seems to have his s**t on straight. I think he’s worth working with, and if some of his ideas can be implemented, it would go a long way to correcting the problem of the Standing Army.
Given the current state of affairs that dumbs down testing for police offices, union rules that prevent bad cops from getting fired, politicians that get elected by vote rigging, and judges that care more about what political party the Prosecutor belongs to that what evidence he has, I'm not convinced the second isn't more likely.
15 feet with a knife. You have any idea how long it would take to close that distance? That fact coupled with a refusal to drop it makes shooting a pretty good option, IMHO. Although I’d look for a taser/OC option first if possible. Especially if I had other cops around.
“If you point an AR-15 at me, I’m taking you down.”
Considering he had children in the house he may have been reluctant to open up on the intruders.
Being a combat vet of Iraq means Guerrera would be accostomed to id-ing a threat before opening fire. Many Iraqis carrying weapons are plain clothes policemen, neighborhood security patrols, etc. Our troops couldn’t just open up on anyone they saw carrying a weapon.
I dunno about you, but I know, beyond any tiny fragment of uncertainty, that ^^^^this^^^^^ ain't how it works in the real world.
Read this...
Wall Street Journal: Legal System Struggles With How to React When Police Officers Lie
There's another guy on this forum, named 'Nip' who chimed in like he might be SWAT. From what I can tell, he is NOT The Enemy.
Well if you’re correct it sounds more like conspiracy than stupidity. Which is worse when it comes to criminal justice?
That's rich coming from you Sgt. Sprinkles.
You've already ASSUMED this guy was guilty before any real facts are known. So take your presumption and jam it where your moral compass got stuck...
And a whole lot more fun than simply catching him on the way to work. Got those full auto rifles - shame if if you can't grease someone with them every now and then. Has the side effect of intimidating the rest of the citizenry too. win win situation for everyone except the poor sucker who got killed and his family, but you don't want him going home to his family at night anyway. That's only police who are supposed to be able to go home to THEIR families at night.
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Pima County? The sheriff runs that county ...
Sheriff Clarence Dupnik
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/08/sheriff-clarence-dupnik-a_n_806303.html
I saw that. Just because another cop chooses to kiss up to the cop-haters around here by talking badly about his own unit doesn’t make him your buddy. My question is why would you want to be in a unit you don’t trust with your life?
Cato Institute; Botched Paramilitary Police Raids: An Epidemic of “Isolated Incidents”
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