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Why India chose to disappoint the US
The ASIA TIMES ^ | Trefor Moss

Posted on 05/11/2011 8:13:57 AM PDT by Rafale

India's procurement of 126 multi-role combat aircraft has been one of the most eagerly anticipated defense deals in years, and not just because of its US$11 billion value.

The selection was always going to be interpreted as an expression of New Delhi's evolving strategic outlook, and to some in Washington, which has built an increasingly close alliance with India driven by a mutual wariness of China, a win for either Boeing or Lockheed Martin, the two US contractors competing for the contract, seemed assured.

But the Americans were wrong to think that friendship alone would unlock the door to India's defense dollars. At the end of April, the Indian government announced that neither US firm had even made it onto the final short list, with Dassault of France and the European EADS consortium winning through at their expense.

Having made plain that the US was "deeply disappointed" by the outcome, the US ambassador to India promptly resigned, citing personal reasons that seemed barely to mask his frustration that American lobbying had failed in spite of President Barack Obama's personal appearance in New Delhi last November.

Lockheed Martin's F-16 was perhaps always an outsider to fulfill India's requirement: Pakistan already operates the aircraft, and this counted against it right from the start. But the Americans thought, not unreasonably, that Boeing's versatile F/A-18 Super Hornet, backed up by industrial offsets from General Electric as well as Boeing itself, was a strong claimant.

Unfortunately, the Indian Air Force's technical evaluators didn't see it that way. They felt that the newer French and European fighters performed better in India's often challenging operating environments. The Europeans also went further on technology transfer, while the US's end user agreements struck India as needlessly prohibitive.

(Excerpt) Read more at atimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: india; mmrca; us; zot
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1 posted on 05/11/2011 8:14:02 AM PDT by Rafale
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To: Rafale
Bottom line, American aircraft technology is much more complex than Dassault and maintenance would require a completely differently trained group of aircraft technicians.

India didn't want to have to create a separate support system from the Russian-based technicians they now have.

Like asking a company that has only driven Fords for 60 years to buy all Volvos from now on.

2 posted on 05/11/2011 8:20:50 AM PDT by gandalftb (Fighting jihadists is like fighting an earthquake, harden yourselves.)
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To: Rafale
the US ambassador to India promptly resigned, citing personal reasons that seemed barely to mask his frustration that American lobbying had failed in spite of President Barack Obama's personal appearance in New Delhi last November.

I guess he didn't realize Obama had a zero batting average when he tried to lobby for the US. Examples include, Olympics, Global Warming, Economic Policy Harmonization, etc....

3 posted on 05/11/2011 8:21:02 AM PDT by Fractal Trader
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4 posted on 05/11/2011 8:21:11 AM PDT by paulycy (Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: gandalftb

Not to mention we’ve been throwing huge amounts of money at Pakistan over the past years. I wouldn’t buy orrely on defense technology from a power who backed my enemy.


5 posted on 05/11/2011 8:26:11 AM PDT by utherdoul
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To: Rafale

Interesting username for a first thread, especially with the first thread discussing France being chosen over the US.


6 posted on 05/11/2011 8:27:06 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty ("You're a different kind of special..........")
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To: utherdoul
Not to mention we’ve been throwing huge amounts of money at Pakistan over the past years.

And we haven't been throwing equally huge amounts at India?
7 posted on 05/11/2011 8:28:33 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty ("You're a different kind of special..........")
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To: utherdoul

Good point, India would always have to worry that Pakistan could have a strategic insight into their military might.


8 posted on 05/11/2011 8:30:35 AM PDT by gandalftb (Fighting jihadists is like fighting an earthquake, harden yourselves.)
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To: Rafale

Yeah, about all those work visa applications.


9 posted on 05/11/2011 8:31:17 AM PDT by dljordan ("His father's sword he hath girded on, And his wild harp slung behind him")
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To: Rafale

Interesting...your username is RAFALE and the thread is about RAFALE, plus you registered 6 days ago.


10 posted on 05/11/2011 8:37:57 AM PDT by max americana (.)
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To: Eagle of Liberty
And we haven't been throwing equally huge amounts at India?

No.

11 posted on 05/11/2011 8:39:02 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Monarchy is the one system of government where power is exercised for the good of all - Aristotle)
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To: utherdoul
Not to mention we’ve been throwing huge amounts of money at Pakistan over the past years. I wouldn’t buy orrely on defense technology from a power who backed my enemy.

After reading this article, The Double Game, I will withdraw my previous post. Seems as though we have just recently been investing in India, but as you said we have given BILLIONS to a nation that harbored our NUMBER ONE ENEMY!!!


12 posted on 05/11/2011 8:41:43 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty ("You're a different kind of special..........")
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To: gandalftb

Not true-the US aircraft and systems were significantly less expensive than the European systems, which are still in development. About training technicians, the European systems still require modernisation of infrastructure.


13 posted on 05/11/2011 8:43:03 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Eagle of Liberty

Well India is not some banana republic who is living on US dole since her inception unlike Pakistan.


14 posted on 05/11/2011 8:44:05 AM PDT by Rafale
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To: gandalftb
Bottom line, American aircraft technology is much more complex than Dassault and maintenance would require a completely differently trained group of aircraft technicians

Lol. Typical US arrogance, in this context. Here's your bottom line:

Aboulafia points out that the US also failed to overcome the "unfortunate legacy" of its refusal to export critical aircraft components to India during the 1999 Kargil conflict with Pakistan. India needed cast-iron guarantees that nothing like this would ever happen again, and these were not forthcoming.

With the current administration, the US will never live down its backstabber legacy.

15 posted on 05/11/2011 8:56:37 AM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: max americana

What is so interesting ??My user name or my post ???Well am an Indian and Rafale is my favourite ,is’t some kinda violation here coz this my first post and I still gotta learn..


16 posted on 05/11/2011 8:59:01 AM PDT by Rafale
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To: gandalftb

Good point but i would like to add some others like
1>US strings attached to there planes.

2>Indo-US past experience that what what article explained itself.

3>US military AID is not going well with Indians ,everybody knows what those F 16 ,Perry class Frigate ,AMMRAM for.


17 posted on 05/11/2011 8:59:08 AM PDT by Rafale
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To: Rafale

LOL chill. This is a pro-American forum, not some 2 bit foreigner forum where some foreigner loves to trash this country.


18 posted on 05/11/2011 9:06:03 AM PDT by max americana (.)
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To: Rafale
What is so interesting ??My user name or my post ???Well am an Indian and Rafale is my favourite ,is’t some kinda violation here coz this my first post and I still gotta learn..

Well then welcome. We have lots of trouble with trolls. Newbies get roughed up a bit so that you can prove your worth.
19 posted on 05/11/2011 9:21:34 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty ("You're a different kind of special..........")
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To: Rafale

IBTZ. I love the smell of ozone in the morning...


20 posted on 05/11/2011 9:30:22 AM PDT by Frank Sheed (Fr. V. R. Capodanno, Lt, USN, Catholic Chaplain. 3rd/5th, 1st Marine Div., FMF. MOH, posthumously.)
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