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To: JohnG45; Windflier

“Statutory requirements state that a parent must be a citizen for at least 5 years past their 14th birthday to pass citizenship to their child.”

NOT if the child was born in the USA. Neither parentage or age has any role, if the child is born in the USA.

“The Framers’ drew on Emmer De Vattel’s definition of Natural Born Citizen (from his famous work, “Law of Nations”) when they wrote it into our Constitution. It was the highest and securest bar they could place on the office of president, to prevent usurpation by someone with divided loyalties.”

Ah yes...they drew on a poor translation made in 1797 to write the Constitution in 1787.

All natural born subjects of England in the Colonies became natural born citizens of the US at Independence, unless they took some action to reject US citizenship. That shows the two terms are legal equivalents, and NO ONE denies that a natural born subject could have TWO alien parents.

It is also worth remembering that the NBC clause didn’t exist in the original draft of the Constitution - only residency. It appears to have been added without discussion by a 5 man committee between 8 and 12 September, 1787.


40 posted on 05/08/2011 9:14:37 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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To: Mr Rogers
I see you've been drawn to the light, yet again.



58 posted on 05/08/2011 9:31:37 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Mr Rogers
All natural born subjects of England in the Colonies became natural born citizens of the US at Independence, unless they took some action to reject US citizenship. That shows the two terms are legal equivalents, and NO ONE denies that a natural born subject could have TWO alien parents.

All were U.S. Citizens, but none were "natural born" U.S. Citizens. However they were exempted (grandfathered) by the Constitution. Citizenship "by birth" is not equal to "natural born" Citizenship....

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From the U.S. Constitution Section 1 - The President

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

164 posted on 05/08/2011 12:24:25 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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