They way I understand the term, a person who is born on United States soil is a natural born cizen (as opposed to being born elsewhere and naturalized later.)
There was a SCOTUS ruling in the 1880’s that involved a Chinese American whose mother was Chinese but the father was naturalized American. Ruling indicated as long as one parent is an adult US citizen and child born in US the child is a natural born citizen. Some freepers point out that the US Constitution requires BOTH parents to be US citizens. This issue needs to be resolved by the SCOTUS because their precedent ruling conflicts with what the US Constitution states. Obama actually is an issue because in 1961 his 19 year old American mother may not even meet the definition of an adult American citizen in 1961, thus Obama must resume the citizenship of the only adult his father a British subject.
The birth certificate debate is the dumbest waste of energy ever in American politics.
As long as conservatives continue to push this nonsense, they won't be taken seriously as policy leaders.
Born: November 9, 1918
Baltimore, Maryland
Died: September 17, 1996
Ocean City, Maryland
Spiro Theodore Agnew was born November 9, 1918, in Baltimore, Maryland. He was the son of Theodore S. Agnew and his Virginia-born wife, Margaret Pollard Akers. Spiro Agnew was, in his own words, a “typical middle class youth” who spoke and wrote very well and gained experience writing speeches for his father’s many appearances before ethnic and community groups.
Read more: Spiro Agnew Biography - parents, death, wife, school, son, information, born, college, house, marriage http://www.notablebiographies.com/A-An/Agnew-Spiro.html#ixzz1Lm9sGkGL
Read more: Spiro Agnew Biography - parents, death, wife, school, son, information, born, college, house, marriage http://www.notablebiographies.com/A-An/Agnew-Spiro.html#ixzz1Lm93NVuN
If someone robs a bank and gets away with it, does that mean bank robbing is no longer illegal??? Or does it mean that just because one a**hole got away with it doesn’t mean we are going to let the next one get away... Just trying to get impute on how this works???
Agnew’s father was a Greek immigrant and his mother a native of Virginia. There was some contention that (thread referenced in #3), based on the 1920 census, that his father had not yet become a naturalized citizen when Spiro was born. But I think it was concluded that census data was no proof of whether his father had been been naturalized or not by 1920.
The only example that is roughly similar to Pres. Osama is Chester Arthur.
Welcome to FreeRepublic ... so was this question raised at the seminar yesterday?
Here we go again! Both parents need to be citizens at the time of birth, whether by birthright or naturalization. The latter was the case with Agnew’s father.
Chester Arthur hid and destroyed many of his personal records, including his Birth Certificate, because his father was a citizen of Canada at the time of his birth.
CNN, in all shallow wisdom, made the point that a fairly significant number of presidents had parents of foreign birth, they just never bothered to tell us that all parents, with the exception of President Arthur’s, were naturalized US citizens at the time of birth of their future president sons.
There were other parents of presidents who were immigrants; however, status was not recorded as it is now, for logical reasons of the times in a young America. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2703612/posts?page=115
Spiro Agnew's Father was a Non-Citizen
or you can research:
In 1910, Theodore S. Anagnost (Anagnostopoulos) lived in Schenectady, NY, with and next to relatives (cousins, siblings). See dist. 7, enumeration dist. 186, ward 7, p. 4A.
1. In 1920, the census taker wrote down that Theodore was an alien who came to the US in 1887.
2. In 1930, the census taker wrote down that he was a naturalized citizen who came to the US (if that’s not the date of naturalization) in 1903.
However, you will find... this poster of all this information was removed over a year ago--but has been copied more recently to the Huffington Post where we know the liberals hang out.
Who really cares at this point, its a way to take The People's concentration off the debt ceiling, our credit rating, the rumor that Obama may require through the stroke of a pen, all business doing contracts with the government must reveal the voting records of upper management. The fact that the $2.10 gas tax [and yes it was discussed by this people] was tabled for now because of how the public would react to this added tax with already $4 gasoline to pay for roads, bridges, ironically because we are using “less” fuel, not driving as much and a push to hybrids so fewer taxes are being paid in, to be spent as promised. The controversial QE3 drumbeat. possibility.
Arthur and Agnew have had their day. Obama is not going anywhere until he loses to the next candidate opposing him. We need not lose focus of the real issues confronting the us under this Administration. The issues that effect the daily lifestyle of every American.
Good luck..but they just do not want you to confront the real issues [perhaps out of protection of their leader]..they are just repeating the political mantra expected of them.
Ping. The BS that Spiro Angew is not a natural born citizen again.
His dad was naturalized before he was born.
(quoting comments from Borderraven):
“Natural-born citizen( NBC) requires two NBC parents. The parents have to have US citizenship, meaning they can each, either or both be naturalized, native-born, or NBC.
Barack Hussein Obama II, has proven he was born a native born Hawaii citizen, and a dual-citizen UK/US, thus invalidated any claims he is a NBC, or constitutionally eligible to be a POTUS.
His father was a foreign born student, on a non-immigrant student visa (8USC1101(a)(15)(F)(i)), under British consular jurisdiction, per 1952 British Treaty.
Barack H Obama II, was born in the Hawaii, then per (circa 1961 law) 8USC1401(a)(1), he would have been native born a US citizen, and under consular jurisdiction of the 1952 British Treaty and the under jurisdiction of British Nationality Act of 1948, Part II(5)(1)(a) he was born a British Citizen, thus a dual-citizen UK/US, and not a natural born citizen, and not constitutionally eligible for the 2008 or 2012 Presidential elections.
Citizenship by birth is determined by the circumstances existing at the moment of birth (Usually the 24 hour day in which the birth occurs between 00:00:01 to 11:59:59), jurisdictions, location, laws, treaties, etc.
Territory and allegiance determine jurisdiction.
Dual-citizenship is conferred by territory (jus soli) or by blood (jus sanguinis), owes dual allegiances and may be influenced by one against the other. Not someone you would want commanding the Army, is it?
Natural born citizen, is conferred by territory (jus soli) and by blood (jus sanguinis), has a singular allegiance that cannot be affected by a foreign influence
Presidents 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 & 12, who were “present at the adoption of the constitution” became the first-generation US Citizens “by conversion”.
With George Washington being 55 and Zachary Taylor being the youngest at 3 years old.
The “second-generation” US Citizens who were born of two first generation citizens, became the Natural Born Citizens.
The Natural Born Citizens who became US Presidents are: 10, 11, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 22, 23, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 38, 40, 41, 42 & 43.
Both of their parents either became citizens at the adoption of the constitution, or were born of the new citizens, or were naturalized before the future president was born.
Anomallies
#21 Chester A. Arthur
#44 Barack Hussein Obama””
Quoting comments from Freepers:
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Candidates and opinion-shapers need to stay focused on the real issues and attacking Obama’s policies, not his citizenship”
“The birth certificate debate is the dumbest waste of energy ever in American politics.
As long as conservatives continue to push this nonsense, they won’t be taken seriously as policy leaders.”
“You’ll notice that the overwhelming vast majority of prominent conservatives (including potential presidential candidates) want absolutely nothing to do with “birther” drivel. The one who has, Trump the clown, looks like an utter and complete buffoon now that the theory has been utterly blown to pieces when Hussein released his long form.”
“Obama will not be defeated by conspiracy theories, he will be defeated on the issues - primarily his horrendous mismanagement of the economy.”
“Yup. The whole “birther” issue has been an utter waste of time tied almost entirely to ridiculous conspiracy theories.”
“I agree.. I think there are other issues to talk about..”
NOW......ask yourself this. Is it wise to ignore a serious Constitutional issue so that one does not appear “ridiculous?” Is it brave to be bullied away from studying a legal question which potentially has enormous political impact?
If we attack obama only on these “policies” who will then tell us which “policies” we are allowed to attack on? Will these same people who work to dissuade us from this question of eligibility, further confine our approved “list” of allowable issues on which to debate?
Are we to be cowards with no conviction?
From an obama approved campaign website: FactCheck:
“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4, 1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr.was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by THE BRITISH NATIONALITY ACT of 1948.
THE SAME ACT GOVERNED THE STATUS OF OBAMA SR.’S CHILDREN.”
How in hell can a single solitary person misunderstand or misconstrue the meaning in that paragraph?
But the more important question is, why would anyone want to?
Simply tell your friend “You’re right. Agnew was not a citizen but he never became president. Obama is not a citizen and DID become president. He should be removed.”
Any help or links would be great. Sorry if this is in the wrong area.
You post a vanity and run. Can’t you even respond once with a thank you to those that helped you. Or I guess we can derive our own conclusions as to your sincerity.
I can’t understand why you think this is of interest. The man was never POTUS, nor did he ever campaign to be President.
Wrong area? Why, yes it is. It is no longer relevant.
“I’ve searched through all the other threads on eligibility and didn’t find anything.”
Really...are you sure?