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Farm Subsidies Become Target Amid Spending Cuts
The New York Times ^
| May 6th, 2011
| Jennifer Steinhauer
Posted on 05/06/2011 6:26:32 PM PDT by KantianBurke
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Every time the issue of farm subsidies is raised I'm instantly reminded of Dubya's inital betrayal of small government conservatives with his signing of the 2002 farm bill. Obliterated the gains that were made to reduce farm subsidies from the FAIR act all the while plowing billions of taxpayer goodies to "farmers."
To: KantianBurke
The reduction or elimination of subsidies might be disruptive in the short run, but the Constitution doesn’t provide for them. Time to let the farm industry go it alone.
Bottom line, if it’s a good idea, it can stand on its own and doesn’t need a crutch from Uncle Sam. This includes ethanol.
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posted on
05/06/2011 6:31:36 PM PDT
by
lurk
To: KantianBurke
Yup. Most valuable piece of real estate in the world--the square foot at the bottom of an Iowa farmer's mailbox.
To: lurk
I agree.
But, I can see why, say Japan subsidises it’s own rice by banning imports.
They want to be self-sufficient for rice. Smart move.
Some time over the next 100 years they’ll be glad they have their own food supply.
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posted on
05/06/2011 6:34:25 PM PDT
by
Christian Engineer Mass
(25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
To: KantianBurke
Good. There’s no Constitutional authorization for these subsidies.
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posted on
05/06/2011 6:34:45 PM PDT
by
Lurker
(The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
To: KantianBurke
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posted on
05/06/2011 6:41:15 PM PDT
by
pnh102
(Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
To: KantianBurke
I agree with the removal of farm subsidies if we also remove government rules and regulations on farmers. Let the farmers raise and sell what they want to whoever will pay them the most.
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posted on
05/06/2011 6:43:10 PM PDT
by
Dapper 26
To: KantianBurke
There are even politians who bought farm land to collect ‘subsidies’ - even though they never planted anything.
these subsidies put a lot of small farmers out of business. The money goes to the big conglomerates -
Time for them to go
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posted on
05/06/2011 6:45:57 PM PDT
by
maine-iac7
(watch the otherhand)
To: KantianBurke
yes, but, during harry and nancy’s reign, dubya did try to eliminate ridiculous farm subsidies for places like Mahattan. When he did try to reason with Congress, he was vilified more.
Nothing he could propose would have been a winning issue. he was a lame duck from the start.
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posted on
05/06/2011 6:46:56 PM PDT
by
griswold3
(Character is destiny)
To: KantianBurke
While they are at it, Congress should and must eliminate the ethanol subsidy immediately.
That will save us poor suffering taxpayers about $6 Billion!
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posted on
05/06/2011 6:51:36 PM PDT
by
Taxman
(E)
To: griswold3
Sorry but this isn’t a “Daily Dose” thread. In 02 Bush inflated the farm subsidy system and betrayed small government conservatives - the first of many times.
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posted on
05/06/2011 6:53:12 PM PDT
by
KantianBurke
(Hey Tea Party folks - what about Social Security reform?)
To: KantianBurke
Google the “EWG” farm subsidy database and see what your friends and neighbors get in farm subsidies. You’ll be amazed.
To: lurk
The reduction or elimination of subsidies might be disruptive in the short run,
It would be disruptive in the short run if it happened, but it's not going to happen. The farm lobby has Congress bought and paid for.
To: af_vet_rr
Well.....$30 billion per a decade? Please, that’s nothing. Is there a Republican anywhere with huevos?
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posted on
05/06/2011 7:42:50 PM PDT
by
sheana
To: KantianBurke
If it was up to me I would cut them off tomorrow.
However, fair political compromise is a 25% reduction every year for 4 years.
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posted on
05/06/2011 8:08:47 PM PDT
by
Mariner
(War Criminal #18)
To: KantianBurke
I criticized Ryan on another thread when he drank the koolaid about agreeing to eliminate oil subsidies. But if he makes the case that ALL subsidies should be eliminated, then more power to him.
Gov't subsidies and mandates are the reason why we're in the mess that we're in now. Let the market work on its own, and let people fail so they can learn from their mistakes and become better.
To: KantianBurke
There are times when “government payments” have helped keep entire communities from folding, in instances of multi-year drought for example. When the farmers can’t make ends meet, it doesn’t take long for the tire dealers, machine repair shops and cafe’s to follow suit.
I’m not saying that the programs don’t need to be scrutinized and reviewed, but I have personal experience with the payments along with crop insurance being the difference between scraping by and quite possibly losing the place when there were poor crops for several years in a row. Huge areas of the countryside were in the exact same boat. There are appropriate applications for government farm assistance.
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posted on
05/06/2011 8:39:55 PM PDT
by
prairiebreeze
(Osama bin Ladin is now Osama bin Floatin'.)
To: prairiebreeze
I meant to also add that this experience was in the last 5-10 years.
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posted on
05/06/2011 8:42:04 PM PDT
by
prairiebreeze
(Osama bin Ladin is now Osama bin Floatin'.)
To: sheana
Well.....$30 billion per a decade? Please, thats nothing. Is there a Republican anywhere with huevos?
If we take the attitude that such amounts are "nothing", then we'll never get anywhere near to getting the government and Congress under control, because you can break down everything into "nothing" amounts.
As for the second part of your statement, too many Republicans in Congress have sold themselves to the highest bidders. All we have is our votes, but they know they can scare us into voting for the incumbents just about every time.
To: KantianBurke
Do away with the subsidies, but they have to allow the farmers to make a buck as well.
Remember, they passed a but load of legislation from the FDA regarding food. recently they arrested some Amish farmer for selling milk.
So dump the regulations. Allow these people to work and sell what they produce!
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posted on
05/06/2011 8:46:51 PM PDT
by
Munz
(All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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