[ASA Vet]

The Diversion Continues.

Even if Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama had been birthed in the Lincoln Bedroom of the White House he is NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

[DJ MacWoW]

Anybody who buys a WaPo poll is an idiot.

[BykrBayb]

I’m surprised. Skeptical actually. I would have expected the number double after seeing another forged document.

[McKayopectate]

I still think he was born outside of the states, but I know that the more we pursue this, the more we run around the mulberry bush. There will be no resolution until years after he’s gone out of office. The media will suddenly, “Hey, he really wasn’t a natural born. Heh-heh.”

So, we’ve got to fight him on the things we can fight him on here and now.

[jersey117]

I still don’t believe it. Just tired of dealing with the masses who refuse to admit the flaws in the finally-produced document. The truth eventually comes to light. What goes around comes around and I’ve decided to just wait it out until it comes Barry’s way.

[Grunthor]

“Oh my: Release of Obama birth certificate cuts number of Birthers in half”

Not everyone “feels like a nut.”

[joe fonebone]

Attention all birthers....regardless of what people say, you guys and gals are tenacious....now, drop the birth issue, and unleash your tenacity on an issue that can get him impeached....project gunwalker...otherwise know as operation fast and furious...we got half the administration on the ropes right now...

[ASA Vet]

NBC Ping.

[Hotlanta Mike]

Orly Taitz on Peter Tilden show NOW!!!

790 KABC LA, 7:30 AM Pacific Time.

Call 1-800 -222-KABC

http://www.kabc.com/

[netmilsmom]

This is because they lump anyone with a question about the man or his eligibility into the “birther” catagory.

FReepers know that the real question is about Natural Born Citizen.

[Jeff Winston]

If Trump’s support collapses, that’s definitely a good thing.

[Walkingfeather]

At this point this has reached the zapruder film level. It wouldnt matter if he had full color film of his birth. He has compromised the truth so much the credibility does not hold up for anything.

[Vendome]

That is not the Long Form Birth Certificate(though it may be a COLB).

It is another walk up document. The original COLB was the type you can purchase and receive the same day.

For 3+ years we have heard from everybody, including a protective media, that there is no other document.

That is the only one Hawaii provides.

Well now they have proven that just isn’t so and validated part of Hawaii Statute 318 in the process.

The document Mubarak proffered this week is one you can request and it normally takes 10 days to receive it.

They are “Data Points” and the document “IS NOT” a copy of the original Long Form Birth Certificate.

I want to see the Birth Certificate he found among his mother’s belongings, the one his mother submitted for his entrance into the school system and the one he used to obtain his passport.

He has all three available to him and in his possession.

[Vendome]

This whole BC thing is a put up.  A "Fairy Tale"!

 

It's a "sleight" of hand and there is no reason to have not put an original copy of his Long Form Birth Certificate out there in the 1st place.

 

But, think of it.  There are three that are known to exist or have existed and he has at least two in his possession:

1. The Birth Certificate that was submitted for his admission into the Hawaiian school system.  The files containing that BC and his records for immunization are sealed by court order on Barak's request.
2. "If" he used an American Passport for travel to Indonesia and Pakistan, when he turned 18, he would have a copy of his birth certificate from that event.
3. He absolutely has a Birth Certificate, in its original black & white format, that "He Found" Among His Mother's belongings, when she passed in 1995.
4. I do wonder if he had to submit another BC when he returned back to the Hawaii school system to re-enter school???

 

Let them claim there is no long form.

 

1st.  They and everyone has said all along the COLB is an abstract.  A COLB is a walkup document, meaning you can walk up to the desk, ask for your BC and they will provide an abstract, called a COLB in about 10 minutes.  That means there is a long form and Hawaii statutes, starting at (318)

 

2nd.  Hawaii already said they have seen Barry O.'s vital records and issued two statements - blah, blah, blah, right?

 

3rd.  Barry O. never had to show his long form BC ever, in his life, for anything?  Like obtaining a passport.  That one document is better than a drivers license.  It saying to the world you are who is contained in the passport document, which is based on an investigation of your background and YOU MUST provide a Birth Certificate as foundational proof of who YOU say you are.  From there the State Department does their background check on you and if you are who you say you are with no amendments, modifications or whatever to your identity they issue it clean. 

 

Most adults can go to a desk or filing cabinet in his house and produce a birth certificate in a few minutes?

 

Barry O. tried to pass of something that was inconsistent with what the rest of us have and know to be a “Birth Certificate”.

The so called COLB has many flaws with it:

• His father’s race could never have been listed as “African”.  That was not the nomenclature at all, in the 1960’s.  So that begins the suspicion of a fraudulent document.
• The COLB is also cropped in many of the pictures that claim it is a scan.  If it is a scan, why not leave the document and size intact?
• The COLB also has no artifacts such paper folds.  A scan does not make those disappear and in fact will highlight them.
• More over, many of us are concerned and want to know why he wasted time producing a document that is inconsistent with what we know a Birth Certificate looks like.

 The best part and even more confusing is why he didn't release any of the three Birth Certificates we know already existed before 2007?

• His kindergarten records and the BC, that should be there, have mysteriously disappeared.
• The BC he used to get into college, apply for loans and most definitely used for his passport. That wasn't available?
• Why couldn't he just present the one he found among his mother's belongings upon her death in 1995?   He waxed on wondering about it's signficance in his life and his father in one of his books.  Why not post that one?

 Those were most certainly Birth Certificates and not a COLB. There is no reason to create confusion but, for the fact he is hiding something.

 That something will be discovered, though and this is a long process.

 

 “I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school. It’s a short piece, with a photograph of him. No mention is made of my mother or me, and I’m left to wonder whether the omission was intentional on my father’s part, in anticipation of his long departure. Perhaps the reporter failed to ask personal questions, intimidated by my father’s imperious manner; or perhaps it was an editorial decision, not part of the simple story that they were looking for. I wonder, too, whether the omission caused a fight between my parents.”

From “Dreams of My Father” (Pg. 26 last paragraph)

 

So with all these Birth Certificates lying around, why did he feel it necessary to produce a "Certification of Live Birth" that is inconsistent with a Birth Certificate and wholly lacking all of the information you would find, in you know, a Birth Certificate?

 

He seemed to have some emotional attachment to the Birth Certificate found among his mother’s belongings.  Why wouldn’t he just slap that one up, for the entire world to see?

 

It seemed important that he found a document that is called a “Birth Certificate” and it is highly unlikely he would not know what one looks like.

 

Hope no one brings up some house fire that vaporized his BC.  That was in 1972 and none of the documents listed here would have been affected by that “fishy” event.

 

The point of the birth certificate is to uncover this man's past for it's factual existence and not the narrative we have been told.

 

We want to know if he ever traveled, went to school in America, obtained loans, etc in another name or as a foreign student or as a foreigner!!!!

 

That is what we are after at a minimum.

 

Finally, there can be no doubt Barak was in fact born with a divided citizenship.  He proudly admits as much.

 

That means if he were conscripted by draft into the United States Military during a conflict, when he was 18, he could have avoided the draft by simply returning to another country of his citizenship.  We know and he admits he was a citizen of Kenya at the age of 18 so he could have returned with no penalty, to Kenya and not even I would call him a draft dodger if he had under those circumstances.

 

You are wholly one thing or another but not two distinctly different and separate things that conflict with each other's existence.

 

He was born with a divided allegiance and is "Not a Natural Born Citizen".  Might be a citizen but, he ain't a Natural Born Citizen.

[Let_It_Be_So]

Several posters have said "it's time to face the facts".

 

I agree:

 

Fact One: Some knowledgeable legal scholars are of the opinion that to be a NBC, one must be born in country of two citizen parents.

 

Fact Two: Some knowledgeable legal scholars are of the opinion that to be a NBC, one must be born in country of only one citizen parent.

 

Now, let's face the facts shall we?  The facts tell us that we have a dispute as to the constitutional meaning of "Natural Born Citizen" as it relates to eligibility to serve as President of the United States.

 

Forget about Obama for a moment.  Forget about scoring political points, etc.

 

This is a question that will very possibly come up in future presidential elections, and is an important constitutional question.

 

Or, shall we just ignore the facts and "move on"?  It's just about the qualifications to hold the highest office in our land, and is important only to those silly old constitutional conservatives after all.

 

So, which is it?  Do we face the facts, or ignore the facts?  

[little jeremiah]

Funny, on FR I’ve ssen numerous freepers say that they used to not think it was a big deal, he was born here, etc and after the release of the newest forgery are now convinced he either wasn’t born here or is hiding something else just as damning.

[Mashood]

“Release of Obama birth certificate cuts number of Birthers in half”

Release the pictures!

[Invincibly Ignorant]

So a “forgery” cut the number in half? You called it a “birth certificate.”

[Terry Mross]

I said from day one that I was afraid Trump was in on the deal. He constantly talked about how he could spot a forgery. Now he says the LFBC is legit. If he had constantly talked about O Sr being a kenyan I would have felt a little better about it.

[Triple]

Of those that changed their minds, now saying US born: How many saw the Denninger youtube that shows the layers and color aberration problems in the White House PDF? (I’m willing to guess 0%.)

The White House did not release an un-manipulated scan of the document they brought back from Hawaii. There is no disagreement about this fact. The supporters claim there was OCR and other enhancement innocently performed on the document. Why manipulate it at all?

Once the thing is manipulated electronically, it is very hard to tell the extent of changes. Manipulation adds suspicion, correctly.