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Swedish Skeptics Confirm "Nuclear Process" in Tiny 4.7 kW Reactor (Rossi E-cat)
Renewable Energy World ^ | 5.5.11 | Thomas Blakeslee

Posted on 05/05/2011 7:47:16 AM PDT by Free Vulcan

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To: PapaBear3625
Thanks. I wonder if Rossie meant to use gallons instead of tons when he got to [0087]. That would pretty well tie you and Rossie together and allow for a mistake in translation.

It still seems like the hot fusion guys aren't working very hard to discredit Rossi if they haven't sent a team to Italy to check on that factory. Pretty negligent on the part of his critics if they haven't even read his latest patent app and discovered that address; or checked the data he has provided, like you have. Maybe they just want to cast aspersions without really investigating? Or maybe they don't want to discover a working factory being heated with the E-cat?

161 posted on 05/25/2011 8:32:45 AM PDT by badgerlandjim
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To: Wonder Warthog

I think the man has an itch that just can’t be scratched until he gets his childhood dreams out in the open for all to see and use. I’ve known more than one person with these silly dreams. Mine was learning to fly a floatplane. Done and now it doesn’t itch anymore.


162 posted on 05/25/2011 8:36:48 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are...)
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To: B4Ranch; Wonder Warthog
I agree. I listened to an interview of him and got the impression that he was truly interested in the betterment of mankind. I think he would like to be remembered as one of the giants of history. He is 60 years old. I do not think he is simply pursuing a pot of gold. At 60 years of age one realizes riches for riches sake is not where it's at. I believe he is a scientist - first and foremost. I think he is well-meaning. I hope he is correct.
163 posted on 05/25/2011 8:56:04 AM PDT by badgerlandjim
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To: badgerlandjim
Like I said some assumptions on are part are needed to understand Rossi’s claims. I expect that a significant part of the reaction does not come from the nickel changing to copper but from the poorly understood neutron release.(which seems crazy on the face). There is a chart of the process sequence, posted around FR, that seems to cover the entire reaction. Many classical physicists dispute that it is functional. I am not prepared to say that he cannot get 517 tons equivalent. I will say I am skeptical of that number - but condemning it at this point is futile. I want to see the 1MW test in October (no delays) and then we will know if this is real or a pipe dream. BTW the fact that reaction gets “unsafe” in units bigger than the 14kw one is a clue that the neutron emission may be something other than what we have thought it to be.
164 posted on 05/25/2011 9:07:38 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ ("Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." A. C. Clarke)
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To: badgerlandjim
"Maybe they just want to cast aspersions without really investigating?"

That seems to be the main mode of operation. They seem to read/watch just long enough/deep enough to find something that can be used to cast aspersions. One example of that was Rossi's work on thermoelectric power generation. His lab specimens worked as claimed and were independently verified. The problem was that the device couldn't (back then) be scaled up to large size successfully. If you read the final report on the DOE grant, it explains all of this and lays out the data. But the ONLY datum that was extracted from that report by the "hot physics" crowd was the poor performance of the scaled-up devices, using that to say "it was a scam", when the report context shows that it was anything BUT a scam.

165 posted on 05/25/2011 9:08:18 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: mad_as_he$$
"BTW the fact that reaction gets “unsafe” in units bigger than the 14kw one is a clue that the neutron emission may be something other than what we have thought it to be."

The "unsafety" aspect seems more to be from thermal runaway. I suspect that at larger sizes, control of the heat transfer in the crude units used is just plain inadequate. Unfortunately (as far as we now know) the only "control rod" for the reaction is temperature, and thus heat transfer. I think scaling up to larger individual modules will require some pretty sophisticated precise cooling.

166 posted on 05/25/2011 9:14:02 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog
My gut says that is probably the case. I just do not have enough information to make a judgment. It is possible that some other reaction mechanism takes over after a certain level heat/reaction is reached.
167 posted on 05/25/2011 9:17:07 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ ("Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." A. C. Clarke)
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To: badgerlandjim

Previously you had to use platinum or palladium to carry the cold fusion. Kinda cool that nickel is in the same periodic table grouping as those two. So nickel is somewhat like them. The poor man’s palladium ...for cold fusion at least

platinum group metals


168 posted on 05/25/2011 9:33:42 AM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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To: badgerlandjim
Thanks. I wonder if Rossie meant to use gallons instead of tons when he got to [0087]. That would pretty well tie you and Rossie together and allow for a mistake in translation.

A metric ton is 7.3 barrels, which 307 gallons. So 0.36 tons of oil per gram of nickel means 110 gallons of oil per gram, which still does not match up with Rossi's figure of "517 tons/gram". Multiplying gallons by 3.8 liter/gal gives 419 liters, which is much closer and leads me to think that Rossi slipped a few decimals, and meant kilograms of oil per gram of nickel, rather than tons of oil.

169 posted on 05/25/2011 9:56:56 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: badgerlandjim; B4Ranch
At 60 years of age one realizes riches for riches sake is not where it's at.

Yes, I think he's in it to redeem his name, and to make him a source of pride for his children. He knows he will die in a few decades, he wants something for posterity.

170 posted on 05/25/2011 10:10:21 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: PapaBear3625

Yeah, after looking at [0087] again I see that I’m trying to replace a weight - ton - with a volume - gallon. Just doesn’t fit.


171 posted on 05/25/2011 10:50:37 AM PDT by badgerlandjim
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To: badgerlandjim

Rossi is Italian. He wouldn’t be using English gallons. He’d be using metric units, which means liters for volume and kilograms and metric tons for weight.


172 posted on 05/25/2011 10:58:33 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: PapaBear3625

That does not reassure me. If he is desperate to clear his name, he may be willing to take.short cuts with the truth.


173 posted on 05/26/2011 6:33:42 AM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: dangerdoc

I think Rossi is smart enough to realize that if he screws around with the facts, there’s lots of guys out there waiting to hammer him for it. I’m just waiting for the pilot plant to crank up and demonstrate viability.


174 posted on 05/26/2011 7:03:55 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: PapaBear3625
I've been reading the patent PDF, and one interesting section leaps out:
[0069] In particular, said graphs clearly show that zinc is
formed, whereas zinc was not present in the nickel powder
originally loaded into the apparatus said zinc being actually
generated by a fusion of a nickel atom and two hydrogen
atoms.
[0070] This demonstrates that, in addition to fusion, the
inventive reaction also provides a nickel nucleus fission phenomenon
generating lighter stable atoms.
[0071] Moreover, it has been found that, after having generated
energy the used powders contained both copper and
lighter than nickel atoms (such as sulphur, chlorine, potassium,
calcium).
[0072] This demonstrate that, in addition to fusion, also a
nickel nucleus fission phenomenon generating lighter stable
atoms occurs.
I wonder what would happen if you mixed in a little mercury and thallium (elements close to gold and platinum on the periodic table)?
175 posted on 05/26/2011 12:11:45 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: badgerlandjim; B4Ranch; Wonder Warthog; Normandy; Liberty1970

ping to #175


176 posted on 05/26/2011 12:13:51 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: PapaBear3625
I believe I've read where some of his used nickle powder also showed traces of iron. Don't know about cobalt, which I would think should also necessarily show up if iron did.

No wonder the theoretical physicists are ticked at the electrochemists. The success of their lab experiments seem to be bludgeoning away at the very bedrock of science. How dare they! And how inconvenient if you have turned to string theory or branes or 10 or 11 dimensions to explain nature. Gads, because of these crazy chemists and their off-the-wall results, atomic theory may have to be rewritten from the ground up. Say it ain't so, Joe!

177 posted on 05/26/2011 1:14:06 PM PDT by badgerlandjim
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To: PapaBear3625; MrEdd; marktwain; dennisw; rokkitapps; dangerdoc; mad_as_he$$; Free Vulcan

ping to #175


178 posted on 05/26/2011 2:03:20 PM PDT by badgerlandjim
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To: badgerlandjim

>>atomic theory may have to be rewritten from the ground up.<<

There we go. What are the controllers going to do when they learn that they have lost control over nuclear weapons. Not simply lost control on one continent but lost control on every continent. How are the controllers going to maintain control? My guess is they’ll blow up the entire world in an effort to maintain control?

And I didn’t even mention 2012 yet. LOL


179 posted on 05/26/2011 2:14:23 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are...)
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To: PapaBear3625

Someone is already working on that idea, in California I believe.


180 posted on 05/26/2011 2:15:37 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are...)
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