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To: eyedigress; Lazmataz; DoughtyOne; stephenjohnbanker; rabscuttle385
Sometime ago I posted the following which I think provides a background for understanding John McCain. I think the analysis has stood the test of time but it is important to understand that it was not conceived of as an apology for John McCain or as an indictment. I set it out as my view of the man, one that makes me comfortable in thinking that I understand him. That does not mean I endorse his political views at all. To the contrary, I think we could learn a lesson from John McCain and apply it to the likes of Donald Trump. It is dangerous for conservatives to support a man who does not subscribe to a rounded conservative philosophy. I do not think, and this analysis explains why, that John McCain is motivated by any such philosophy. He is motivated by his highly developed inward, one might almost say "egotistical," ad hoc morality. I believe Donald Trump is motivated by his ego and has no profound moral standard to which he adheres but rather he has a highly perfected means of rationalization which endorses whatever his ego wants.

Here is a 2-year-old reply:

Understanding John McCain

McCain's Vietnam experience was so shattering that he sees the world through a new lens, the experience so profound that he has emerged from it with a lifelong commitment to country. This gives credibility to McCain's claim that he is a maverick, beholden not to party but to principle and country.

At the end of his acceptance speech, McCain recited how he came to be utterly broken but then restored, even redeemed with a new commitment to service to others when a fellow prisoner urged him by prison telegraph not to quit and die but instead to carry on the fight out of respect for his comrades who even then were carrying on the fight for him.

Psychologists and scholars of religious experience, especially Christian scholars, have long been aware of the empowering release generated by total surrender of the will. One can describe this in psychological language, or in Biblical language, or even in evangelical idiom.

Whatever language one uses to describe these epiphanies there is no question that very often they are real and long lasting. Psychologists often explain the phenomenon by reference to the ego. An Old Testament scholar might think in terms of the first and second Commandments and the muscular faith which follows adherence to them. Christians speak of dying to the self, picking up the cross and following the Savior to become a new man-to be born again. Perhaps the most famous example is recounted in the Book of Acts which tells that Saul of Tarsus was physically knocked off his horse by the Holy Spirit. Saul experiences an epiphany, Saul becomes Paul, and is transformed from a murderous persecutor of Christians to a fully committed martyr who becomes the great evangelist of the early church, indomitable in spirit, inflexible in commitment, and-like the other disciples- utterly fearless. Significantly, Paul, the newbie Christian, does not shrink later from taking on Peter the acknowledged leader of the disciples "to his face" to dispute matters of doctrine. [The application to the career of John McCain is obvious]

In contemporary history we have the example of George Bush and his transforming encounter with Reverend Billy Graham. Indeed, we have the Reverend Billy Graham's own epiphany in the forest. We have the numberless examples recited daily in meetings of Alcoholics Anonymous. It is from the success of this group that countless so-called "12 step" groups have been formed to apply successfully the same empowering message of surrender. [I refer to the reader to my about page in the account of such an experience by Nathan Bedford Forest]

The important thing to understand about these epiphanies is that when they are genuine they are often life-long and tremendously empowering. Lives really are transformed forever. Criminals go straight, alcoholics stay sober, and the miserable are made happy. In fact, these newly born spirits enjoy their new condition so much that they seek ways to prolong the joy they have obtained in their moment of sweet release. Almost universally, these people find that service to others is the surest way to prolong that wonderful feeling of well-being.

Isolated, sick, starved and beaten beyond human endurance, John McCain ultimately broke and signed a confession which he mistakenly assumed amounted to a betrayal of his country. Who was this wretched man who lay so anguished in that cell? In his memoir and in his speech, McCain described himself as a kind of a hotshot jet jock, a screwup, a discipline problem in school, and an accomplished accumulator of demerits as a midshipman. Evidently, he was also an enthusiastic swordsman. In short, he was an arrogant SOB. Now, in that cell, he had fallen far. The classic description of the crushing of the ego. At this pivotal moment came the means of his redemption via the prison telegraph: Service to others out of love of country. In his speech McCain declared:

"And I wasn't my own man anymore, I was my country's"

And now we know the rest of the story. This is not to say that John McCain was instantly sanctified in all respects, far from it. He still had to swim his way out of a giant mental, moral and spiritual hangover from his ordeal. His screwing around would cost him his marriage before he could swim to shore. Even today, the old self bursts out in temper. But when one lays this template over the rest of John McCain’s career, one should have little difficulty accepting the story as being essentially true (I for one believe it) and to accept it as a convincing explanation of his career and his conception of his role as president.

Before considering the implications of all of this for conservatives, it is instructive to consider what it means to liberals. [And to compare it to Barak Obama's story]

In a word: "nothing." Liberals do not see it because they cannot see it. They simply do not get it. The whole idea of gaining empowerment through surrendering is as psychologically repugnant to liberals as is the idea of accepting a higher authority in their lives. Consider the Democrat party to be a gigantic creaking contrivance to legitimatize liberals in their insatiable quest to feed their egos. The job of this machine is to provide rationalizations. The obvious examples are sex without consequences and abortion without guilt. These examples demonstrate that the rationalization machine can be quite deadly as it kills 3 to 4 million babies a year. The pernicious doctrines emanating from The Frankfurt School such as moral relativism, feminism, and critical theory find application not just in cultural issues like abortion which kill babies but across the board, touching all government policy and every aspect of our lives.

To repeat, the whole purpose of this Democrat apparatus is to turn thinking on its head and provide a language to liberals so they can continue to play God (especially with other people's lives). Liberals will never about-face and cast away everything that feeds their ego addictions. That is why we hear them using English words but it comes out as a different language.

What about the implications for us conservatives of John McCain's epiphany?

Well that of course depends on how John McCain defines putting country first. It's quite clear that he is not replaced his giant ego trip with a classic Reaganesque conservative philosophy. The danger for conservatives is that John McCain has no identifiable framework, no principled political philosophy upon which to identify the nation's interest.

The great danger to us conservatives, and of course to the nation as a whole, is that John McCain operates ad hoc.

This is what George Will has been alluding to in his column in which he expressed his dismay that McCain has called for the firing of SEC Chairman Cox, "It is arguable that, because of his inexperience, Obama is not ready for the presidency. It is arguable that McCain, because of his boiling moralism and bottomless reservoir of certitudes, is not suited to the presidency. Unreadiness can be corrected, although perhaps at great cost, by experience. Can a dismaying temperament be fixed"

We know what Barak Obama's vision for America is, it is written down, not in his own autobiographies, but in Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals. We know also that John McCain has been intensely energized with a vision for America. We're just not quite sure what it is that informs that vision.


35 posted on 05/05/2011 12:38:46 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

McCain needs to retire, and fade away...


54 posted on 05/05/2011 4:15:47 AM PDT by Matthew James (SPEARHEAD!)
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To: nathanbedford

Great post!


65 posted on 05/05/2011 9:42:28 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and Ford trucks)
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To: nathanbedford
I appreciate the thought behind that post, and I don't find it particularly objectionable.  It's none the less a premise I am uncomfortable with.

Okay, John was broken.  John was reborn.  John had a rededication to our nation.  I buy the first statement, and accept the second to a degree, but when you get to the third, you can insert a sound track of a needle passing over a record outside the grooves.

From what I have seen of John McCain, he was a lout from childhood on.  His self-description is one of a bully on the grade school playground.  "I liked to fight.  I like to start fights."  Paraphrased.

His West Point years were disgusting.  His early flight school behavior was abysmal.

This is where I go off record for the sake of honoring members of the service.  I don't want to address John's military years.  I wasn't there.  'Some' people who were there, weren't impressed.  Others seem to have been.  It's a push, but I have a mountain of question associated with his service.  End of topic.

Then you get to his post military years, and the first significant good/bad moment is John taking thousands of dollars in freebies from a constituent without reporting it as required, for over seven years.  Even then it was when he was caught.  Then he interceeded with regulators on behalf of that man.  John's ability to help stall the prosecution of this man, cost many retirees their entire fortunes.  Whether those folks made wise decissions or not, the results are still the same, and still at least in part the efforts of one John McCain.

Is this the action of a guy who is dedicated to nation?  It seems to me it's more the actions of a man dedicated to self.

He has backed seriously flawed anti-American legislation over and over again.  He wasn't bashful about putting the MIA issue to rest at the behest of Vietnam.  He wasn't bashful about doing this over the objections of MIA groups or our Veterans groups.

He has joined up with some of the most evil players our nation has ever seen.  Soros, Kennedy, both Kerries, Feingold, Lieberman, and some of the worst Leftist organizations to boot.  It didn't bother him to sign on global warming, open borders, international entanglements, and naturalization of illegals on our soil legislation either, although he always described it as doing something else.

Here we have a precident that water bording helped us get Laden, and McCain pipes up to stiffle any such conclusion.

This man is a beast of a poltician, and because of his participation in our government, I don't know of many people who can hurt this nation more than John has and will continue to do.

He is not a born again lover of our nation, but making us think so is John's number one goal..., okay, second only to taking this nation down bit by bit.

If there was one politician I could remove today, it would be Obama.  If I got a muligan, it would be John McCain, hands down no one evening coming close.

68 posted on 05/05/2011 2:21:07 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Tell me you haven't asked yourself what mistake Obama made, that wound up causing Laden's death?)
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