Tickerguy Flips A-A [A-A-K-x-x Board] (Birth Certificate)

The Market Ticker ^ | May 2, 2011 | Karl Denninger

[CharlesWayneCT]

I’m glad nobody made me prove that the document Maryland had which said I was born was not altered in some way before they let me be a citizen and get a passport and a job that required my birth certificate.

Once we “prove” that there is an original document in HI, won’t we now have to prove that the people who put the information onto that document didn’t lie about what they put there?

Which is the funny part — most of the information on a BC isn’t the result of an FBI investigation; they simply ask the parent for the information, and write it down.

So the source of the information (father’s citizenship, occupations, home address, spelling of names) is just some minor teenager’s recollections to the secretary filling out the form.

[wbill]

Oh yeah, you're right. And I like the Elephants Imagery.

Throw in the the whole "Hunh? Who's the President Again?" crowd, who would be hard-pressed to find either Hawaii OR Kenya on a map..... and there's a whole lot of intertia to overcome.

Frankly, I think that people would be better off working towards getting him tossed in 2012, than trying to un-elect him from 2008. But that's just me.

[Freeper]

Hope this helps you understand the capabilities of a typewriter.

An IBM Selectric (any model) CAN NOT do kerning.

An IBM Executive Typewriter (models A , B, C or D) CAN DO kerning.

[Freeper]

Hope this helps you understand the capabilities of a typewriter.

An IBM Selectric (any model) CAN NOT do kerning.

An IBM Executive Typewriter (models A , B, C or D) CAN DO kerning.

[wbill]

Also, as far as the "forgery" aspect is concerned, I was surprised that they listed his dad's race as "African".

I wasn't around in 1961, but I thought that the term used then would be "Negro". Figured that was before PC-ism had reared it's ugly head.

I suppose that it would be easy enough to check another birth certificate from HI in that time frame with a black father listed on it. If any intrepid reporters had the wit or the inclination to do such a thing, that is.

[El Sordo]

“So why would a supposedly typed 1961 ‘original’ be perfectly spaced when in 1961 it wasn’t happening?”

I am not so sure that this is the case. The typesetting doesn't look substantially different from the Nordyke’s BC’s.

See: http://i.imgur.com/CjRtj.gif.webloc

“And why would it also say the politically correct “African” for race when the law stated that “Negro” was what was used?”

Because that requirement wasn't rigidly adhered to?

“Remember, the recent ‘release’ has been claimed to be a scanned copy of an original.”

As I understand it, the recent release is a scan of a certified document provided by the state of Hawaii. Exactly what Birthers have been demanding for so long.

Aaaannnddd... Then you'll notice they immediately moved the goalposts when this latest bit of info didn't conform to their various invented scenarios.

[Prokopton]

And I worked on one of their selectric / composer units in about 1972(it was an older unit) or so that produced near typeset quality, including kerning. It worked by your keying in the text, which was recorded on a mag card, and then played back with corrections and letterspacing and kerning applied. At least, that's how I remember it. Whether the Hawaii DOH had one of these units we don't know.

Now, that doesn't mean that the Regime hasn't produced a fraud here, only that the argument that typewriters did not kern is not accurate.

These units were large, bulky, slow machines designed for typesetting, not typewriting. They were totally unsuitable for use with a form.

Proportional spacing, available on some typewriters, is not kerning, it merely makes the fixed spacing of letters proportionate to their width.

[CharlesWayneCT]

Here's another "Karl" thing. On an earlier FR thread, he made a big deal out of a mis-alignment of the "date" stamppd on the two versions of the document.

But when I looked at a JPEG of the PDF posted on Wikipedia, the alignment was different than either of his two versions that he had clipped out and shown.

So somehow taking a picture of the pdf changed the alignment.

picture of BC

I think part of the problem is looking at PDFs at 1000% magnification.

[mad_as_he$$]

Selectrics were not introduced until July, 1961. There were other kinds of electric typewriters before that that provided a power assist operation. I do not recall them being speed sensitive. Old manuals for sure were speed sensitive. My mother could tell who in her typing pool typed something on a manual by how the letters were spaced. Me, I could never see any difference.

[ClearCase_guy]

I'm really trying not to get sucked back into the whole issue, but the goalposts really didn't move.

Intelligent people always stuck to the concept that, given who Obama's father was, the child (no matter where he was born) could not be a Natural Born Citizen. That really was the essential point, although people like Donald Trump seemed to miss it.

If the BC had come out and said that Frank Marshall Davis was the father, then Obama might have (in a way) been in a good position. But, since the BC confirms that his father was who we all expected -- a British subject -- then the NBC issue is as valid today as it was 2 years go. No need to move any goalposts.

But let me just say: I have zero faith that the US Supreme Court will make any ruling on NBC which would endanger Obama's presidency, so I see the entire BC/NBC/Hi/Kenya issue to be rather pointless at this time.

[glorgau]

This guy is clearly a racist.

[WOSG]

If there was some real evidence behind any claim other than him being born in Honolulu, yeah, it would change things.
As it is now, there is zero evidence for that.
So those who take the powers-that-be and their official docs at their word have their whole story; those who assume they are all in on a scam to mislead have theirs.

[El Sordo]

Nothin’ wrong with that.

I'm sympathetic to the 2-parent argument. I personally think that this is how it ought to be, but that the legal support for it isn't there.

For the purposes of the 2-parent argument, no further documentation than the COLB was ever needed.

My issues are with the “AH-HA! A GRAY PIXEL NEXT TO A BLACK PIXEL” crowd, who are so emotionally enmeshed in their fevered dreams that something has just got to be wrong with BHO’s known birth circumstances, that they abandon all rational thought in an effort to justify their desired worldview.

[Plutarch]

This would be more impressive if he showed differences between the typeset on the same words on the Nordyke, and other early 60's BC's.

If anyone is going to make this case with the kerning, it needs to be slam-dunk, and proven every which way before anyone is going to pay attention.

[ebysan]

I read that Obama (Mr I, I, I ) gave the go ahead for this operation to kill Osama bin Laden last week.

Is this why he released his “Fake” BC last week???

Hoping the information about Osama bin Laden would over shadow his

“Fake” BC!!

PS: Mr I, I, I interrupted Trumps “Celebrity Apprentice” to make his announcement...................

“8 hrs” after this event actually took place!!

Was this a stick it in your eye (to Trump) for Obama to make this

announcement at this particular time???

[kiryandil]

I’ve said before, Karl should stick to something he knows, which supposedly is economics.

Denninger is a computer professional.

[allmendream]

Are people's memories REALLY that short?

Please refresh your memory about what the short form COLB said as to the race of 0bama’s father.

Far from being suspicious that it said “African”; it would be suspicious if the “long form” info didn't match the “short form” info.

[kiryandil]

My issues are with the “AH-HA! A GRAY PIXEL NEXT TO A BLACK PIXEL” crowd, who are so emotionally enmeshed in their fevered dreams that something has just got to be wrong with BHO’s known birth circumstances, that they abandon all rational thought in an effort to justify their desired worldview.

You obviously didn't read & understand the article that Denninger wrote.

Computer science is intrinsically rational.

[kiryandil]

This would be more impressive if he showed differences between the typeset on the same words on the Nordyke, and other early 60's BC's.

I looked over one of the Nordyke BCs. The resolution wasn't as good, but I think there was an absence of kerning on the letters in Kapiolani that Denninger highlighted.

[BuckeyeTexan]

As evidence of kerning, this guy points to the first lowercase ‘a’ in “Kapiolani” invading the space of the lowercase ‘p,’ which is immediately to the right of the ‘a.’ Likewise, he points to the lowercase ‘t’ in “University” invading the space of the lowercase ‘y,’ which is immediately to the right of the ‘t.’

And he’s correct. But how does he explain the fact that the same evidence of “kerning” is found all throughout Susan Nordyke’s long form birth certificate?

(See for yourself: http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2011/04/25/this-is-a-hawaii-birth-certificate/)

Ah ha! The Nordyke twins LFBCs must also be computer-generated forgeries! /s