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To: John O

“Salvation is entirely a gift from God.”

If by “entirely” you mean “not entirely”.

“However in order to be saved we MUST repent of our sins.”

So in other words, Salvation is dependent on us, not God. We must Save ourselves. God is like a spectator in the Salvation process.

“A person who does not repent cannot be saved”

For example, babies? Right? A baby cannot repent so even God can’t help them. God is helpless to Save someone unless that person performs X number of tasks.

Sarcasm aside, I don’t think you understand the concept of Grace. You have works-based, man-centered view of Salvation although you seem to have grasped the Methodist view that we can fall from Grace. Your view seems to be somewhat like the world’s opinion that you can be “good enough” to get into Heaven.
The Biblical view is that repentance is a fruit of Salvation but there is no quid pro quo. “If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and make a liar out of God”.


98 posted on 04/28/2011 10:37:24 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy
“Salvation is entirely a gift from God.”

... The Biblical view is that repentance is a fruit of Salvation but there is no quid pro quo. “If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and make a liar out of God”.

You seem to be a Calvinist. Whereas I believe in free will. So we will end up discussing this and making no progress whatsoever while dragging this thread off topic.

So rather than go that route, can we agree that someone who identifies themselves as being proud of their sin (That is they call evil good) cannot possibly be a follower of Christ. A follower of Christ (a Christian) would be turning away from their sin and turning towards Christ.

147 posted on 04/28/2011 6:39:09 PM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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