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To: Dr. Eckleburg; metmom; RnMomof7; HossB86; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; Notwithstanding

This is from a protestant historian:

“The corroborated evidence, from both Protestants and Catholics, was that Calvin was found guilty of sodomy.”

http://sites.google.com/site/standfordrives/dcms-research/1534-conviction


171 posted on 04/29/2011 12:12:12 AM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: mas cerveza por favor; Dr. Eckleburg; RnMomof7; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; Notwithstanding
This is from a protestant historian:

“The corroborated evidence, from both Protestants and Catholics, was that Calvin was found guilty of sodomy.”
http://sites.google.com/site/standfordrives/dcms-research/1534-conviction

Interesting

the republic of Geneva had sent him to Noyon, with orders to make an exact inquiry into Calvin's life and character; and that he found Calvin had been convicted of sodomy; but that at the bishop's request, the punishment by fire was commuted into that of being branded with the Flower-de-luce

The corroborated evidence, from both Protestants and Catholics, was that Calvin was found guilty of sodomy. This does not prove it is true. Yet, it is the only concrete evidence available to explain the imprisonment of Calvin in 1534.
But, why bother with the actions of Calvin? He's been supersedeed in the eyes of DrEck, Rn,Gamecoc and Alex's group by Machen, their enlightened Profit.

Just as they consider that Calvin superseeded Augustine, Machen supersedes Calvin hence their readings each week take a few excerpts from the Pauline Epistles and lot of readings of Mack daddy.

173 posted on 04/29/2011 3:49:06 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: mas cerveza por favor; Dr. Eckleburg; RnMomof7; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; Notwithstanding
Let us take the Nicene Creed and compare with the OPC's beliefs:

We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all that is, seen and unseen.

So far, the OPC is on track.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, one in Being with the Father.

Well, not really; they think of Jesus as a lesser God than the Father. The OPC says that:

Jesus is God's doorway through the wall. God appointed his Son to be the substitute for those whom he would save. Jesus loved the Father with every fiber of his being. He obeyed the Father's holy will completely. He died on Calvary's cross as the atoning sacrifice, bearing all the sins of his people. He rose again from the dead and was exalted to the place of glory at the Father's side.

For the OPC, Jesus is a lesser or messenger god to God the Father, much like Mercury was the messenger of Jupiter in the Roman Pantheon of gods. This is not Christian.

174 posted on 04/29/2011 3:51:18 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: mas cerveza por favor; Dr. Eckleburg; RnMomof7; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; Notwithstanding
As well, The OPC says that:

Christ is, in reality, the one true worshiper.[5] Our worship is a participation in his. Further, our worship in Christ is by the Holy Spirit.

Here, the OPC says that Christ worships God the Father, and the Holy Spirit worships Christ. Not Trinitarian, but polytheist.

175 posted on 04/29/2011 3:51:42 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: mas cerveza por favor; Dr. Eckleburg; RnMomof7; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; Notwithstanding
Christianity believes that Jesus is fully God and fully man at the same time.

The OPC says:

"The Son of Man"

Jesus affirms that he is "the Son of Man." This was his favorite self-designation. The Gospels mention his calling himself the Son of Man some eighty times. William White, Jr., explains that this title reflects Daniel 7:13, where the "Son of Man" is one to whom is given universal and eternal authority, glory, and sovereign dominion. He is one from among men to whom is given divine prerogatives. Since only God can receive such prerogatives, the Son of Man is a God-man (Daniel 10:16). Thus, the Son of Man, Jesus, descended from heaven (John 3:13) and was dependent on God, as He had nowhere to lay His head (Matt. 8:20). He exercises an authoritative and redemptive mission (John 3:14). He is the universal Lord (Matt. 28:18; cf. Dan. 7:13-14) and has total responsibility and authority for judging the world (Matt. 13:41-42; 19:28). (Theological and Grammatical Phrasebook of the Bible, p. 102 [Moody Press, 1984]. Cf. Geerhardus Vos, The Self-Disclosure of Jesus [Eerdmans, 1954].)

So when Jesus calls himself the Son of Man, he does much more than identify himself as having a human nature. He reveals himself as God incarnated as the Last Adam, the true Man, the Man of God's right hand, the Messiah, the King, the Savior, Lord, and Judge! Compare Daniel 7:9-14 and Revelation 1:12-18. It's an amazing claim.

It sure is. It affirms that the OPC believes that Jesus is a lesser God - is totally dependent upon God and therefore is not the God of Christianity, but a messenger or harbinger, much like John the Baptist was for Jesus.

The OPC reveal themselves as extreme adoptionists who take it to the next step and leave Christianity for polytheism

176 posted on 04/29/2011 3:53:36 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: mas cerveza por favor

Do you know what “church “ that site represents?


241 posted on 04/29/2011 1:49:58 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: mas cerveza por favor; RnMomof7; metmom; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; OLD REGGIE; blue-duncan; HossB86

lol. That “web page” is a complete lie.

“Stanford Rives,” with his ludicrous “Standford Rives Home Page,” (http://sites.google.com/site/standfordrives/Home) is probably some pimply-faced seminarian charged with lying about a true man of God.

No surprise since Roman Catholics only have charlatans, conjurers and child rapists to lead them. Blind men can’t discern light from darkness.


279 posted on 04/29/2011 11:05:41 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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