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To: butterdezillion
This paper has no border or seal on it. This is a photocopy, not a certified copy of a birth certificate.

One of the things always manages to startle me about Birthers is their never ending ability to self righteously combine abject ignorance, with frenzied speculation, and spin yet another conspiracy theory out of absolutely nothing.

This paper has no border News flash: Its 2011, not 1961, or 1661. I was in court 12-15 years ago, and a bailiff, who at least had the excuse of being elderly, tried to lecture the District Judge, and informed her that her arrest warrant was legally invalid, because it didn't have a border around it. She brought him up to speed pretty rapidly, on the fact that while it was long traditional to have printed borders around fill-in-the-blank preprinted government documents, they were not legally required, and he could either serve the arrest warrant she had just printed on a laser printer, or she could summon another deputy to serve it. (She didn't add "And arrest you for contempt" but the look on her face implied it.)

or seal So, what kind of sealing wax do you use when sealing documents? Fuchsia? Butter? How long are the ribbons attached to the seal on your drivers license? What color sealing wax should be on this document, I mean in Birther World?

If you think that the Registrar in Hawaii still uses an old fashioned seal, and not a stamped certification, and that BO's folks are so stupid that they did a high profile release, knowing that anyone with 1% of Buckethead's ability, and a current Hawaii birth certificate, could immediately prove that that BO had just released a fake, then why not do the leg work, prove it is a fake, and become the most Freeper in the world?

Can't you see that whining about no border, and no seal, just makes you look like a paranoid loon?

Of course not. If you could, you wouldn't be a Birther.

843 posted on 04/27/2011 10:07:51 AM PDT by Pilsner
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To: Pilsner

http://bryankeithnixon.com/?p=103


848 posted on 04/27/2011 10:08:43 AM PDT by commonguymd (Freedom is a myth anymore it seems)
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To: Pilsner

Would Obama do a very high-profile release of a document still in layered format? According to your reasoning, no. But he did it. That’s all that needs to be said about your reasoning.

Regarding how a document is to be certified, read 11-1-2(b) at http://hawaii.gov/health/about/rules/prac_proc.pdf

And read p 19 of the PDF at http://gen.doh.hawaii.gov/sites/har/AdmRules1/8%208A%20B%20VR%20Admin%20Rules.pdf , where it describes the form of the certification.

And I believe there is a federal statute which codifies when one state’s “acts and records” are to be recognized by other states in compliance with the Constitution’s Full Faith and Credit Clause, and it specifically mentions a raised seal.

Last I knew, it was said that the border on the certificates in Hawaii changes every year or two - a security feature that was added after 9-11. If the border is not part of the certificate then please show me some certified COLB’s or long-forms that do not have a border.


1,103 posted on 04/27/2011 1:06:25 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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