Posted on 04/20/2011 10:55:56 PM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode
Two Muslim extremists in Somalia murdered a member of a secret Christian community in the name of Islam in Lower Shabele region as part of a campaign to rid the country of Christianity, sources said.
An area source told Compass two al Shabaab militants shot 21-year-old Hassan Adawe Adan in Shalambod town after entering his house at 7:30 p.m.
“Two al Shabaab members dragged him out of his house, and after 10 minutes they fired several shots on him,” said an area source who requested anonymity. “He then died immediately.”
The militants then shouted “Allahu Akbar [God is greater]” before fleeing, he said.
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Righto.
That’s exactly what Christ said.
When members of group A kill Christians, we should track down and kill random members (not even the perps) of group A in revenge.
Care to point out the verses of the New Testament prescribing this?
And American Christians think they are persecuted because people make snide remarks to them.
And American Christians think they are persecuted because people make snide remarks to them.
Watch yourself! You have to differentiate between the 99% good moslems, and the 1% bad ones. . . So says the liberals.
It's called WAR and has been around for centuries. The Somali's don't have a government to protect them or an army. I don't know anyone that would stand around and allow their loved ones to be murdered one by one. We have a God given right to self defense and we already know who wants to kill us. I don't need a specific name of a specific perp to know when my life is in danger.
Was Bush justified in bombing Afghanistan after 9-11, or should he have just told the families of the 3000 to go find Osama and kill him themselves? Part of the problem we are having in America today is we don't know how to fight a war anymore. That would explain Obama's war in Libya and why we don't know how to fight it. As far as I'm concerned, Kaddaffy still owes for Pan Am 103 and we have every right to level Tripoli starting with kaddaffy and his spawn. If a few people die that didn't take part in the bombing, tough! They should have taken care of him back then, otherwise they are guilty also.
Just as an aside, my father got the DFC for dropping bombs in Germany on schools, hospitals and private homes because they were Germans, not soldiers. If he had to bail out, however,these "innocent" men, women and children would have stuck a pitchfork in him and his crew. Trying to fight a sterile war is impossible. It's time we figured out who the enemy is and start to fight back. Otherwise we will just be waiting to be slaughtered like the Jews in WWII. Ever wonder how it would have turned out if the Jews would have fought back in the 30's? I believe the Jews outnumbered the Nazi's, but weren't allowed to have guns. The German citizens voted the Nazi's to power. Were they innocent?
If America is attacked, we voted Obama into power. Will we be held innocent by our enemies? We will fight for our land and families, not because we love Obama.
The Bible tells us we will be persecuted, but that there is no greater love that to lay down our lives for each other. If the Somali's allow the butcher of their people, they will just be butchered and forgotten. God doesn't REQUIRE us to die for our faith only to be willing to. David was a man after God's own heart and did his share of killing. When the Jews went into the promised land, they killed EVERYONE, even the animals. If you worship Allah, are you innocent to God? If your religion says you are to kill God's people, are you innocent? When the 6th commandment is read, "Thou shall not kill," it really should be translated, "Thou shall not shed innocent blood". Determining who is guilty and who is innocent when talking of Muslims takes about a half a millisecond.
One more thing,...Israel takes rockets and blown up buses almost every day. You sound like one of the UN thugs that would blame them for attacking Gaza. As far as I'm concerned, they have earned the right to level the whole damned thing and dare anyone to say anything. How long would you allow Mexico to lob rockets into America before you would demand action of your government? Mexico has murdered many of our citizens. Lets see what the body count gets to before something is done.
In 1933 there were about 500,000 Jews in Germany.
In 1929 there were 178,000 actual members of the Party, with of course a far greater number of believers and sympathizers.
In 1930 they won 108 seats in the Reichstag.
By January 30, 1933 a total of 1.5M party cards had been issued.
The Somalis are 99 point something per cent Muslim. I was quite surprised to hear that there are ANY Christians in the country.
So you suggest this tiny minority start killing random Muslims to deter additional attacks on Christians? Morality and Christian doctrine aside, this doesn't strike me as a tactic that is likely to attain its objectives.
I'm curious how far you would carry this analogy. When an unknown black person or persons kill white people, should whites respond by killing 10:1 in random almost certainly uninvolved black people?
Or should black people retaliate for attacks on "their people" by attacking and killing random whites while rioting? Well, actually they do so fairly frequently. Do you think they are justified in this? If not, why not?
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.
When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out
Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892-1984)
Or should black people retaliate for attacks on "their people" by attacking and killing random whites while rioting? Well, actually they do so fairly frequently. Do you think they are justified in this? If not, why not?
Have you ever lived through a riot Sherman? I have as a child a few times. While I do not want to shoot or kill anyone I darn sure will. You come at me or my family or in my house & I will use any means possible to get you. I don't give a darn what race, color or religion you are either.
In this case a young convert was killed by 2 muslims who pride themselves on their violent acts Was this young man harming anyone? No! And the muslims do it 24/7 somewhere. Should we just let them? You are aware that we have a lovely bunch of Somalis here in the USA correct? Should we let them start killing Christians just because they hate us? Shaking my head again!
The reason my father taught me about that poem was because he wanted me to see how some people will sit back & say not me, I am not going to be involved. It doesn't concern me. Thank you for reminding me of it & yes I know there are different versions of it but this is the one I know. The question is Sherman who is going to be there for you?
But that wasn't what I was discussing. The original post to which I responded said Christians should go out and kill 10 random Muslims to deter them from further attacks against Christians.
What I am suggesting is both immoral and unChristian is the group retaliation suggestion.
Let me try to illustrate. Suppose my brother is killed by a guy with red hair. We don't know who he is, but that doesn't matter to me and my family. We get our guns and our trucks and we drive around shooting guys with red hair till we have eliminated ten of them.
Mission accomplished. No more ginger attacks on my family!
That many if not most Muslims in the world operate on this primitive level of morality doesn't mean I should reciprocate.
But there comes a time when we must stop the killing of innocent people.
I agree. I just don't see how killing more innocent people helps us work towards this goal.
But that wasn't what I was discussing. The original post to which I responded said Christians should go out and kill 10 random Muslims to deter them from further attacks against Christians.
Well I don't like to think that is the answer. However I also am in favor of the death penalty. To me this is the crusades again. I don't live there thankfully. Yet Honor Killing & Sharia law are coming right to our country. Where are the good muslims to speak out? IF it would stop them from killing innocent young school girls then yes I would line 10 of them up & shoot them. Then they could go on to their 72 virgins. I don't believe they have the same feelings as we do about life Sherman. I doubt I could randomly shoot 10 muslims unless I knew they were terrorists.
I just don't see how killing more innocent people helps us work towards this goal.
Maybe we've been too nice. Not making them adapt to the American way of life . Installing foot baths, allowing driver's licenses to be issued to veiled women. Even allowing talk of a mosque near the 9-11 site! We need to tell the muslims if you come here adapt to our way of life or stay in your homelands. This is America, land of the Free & the Brave. Love it or leave it. Kill us & we take out you & your buddies. Something has to work & while I don't like it maybe we better start killing them as they kill others. Wish I had the answers but I don't. I just know that if we don't stop honor killing & Sharia here asap we will be very, very sorry.
As for what happens in muslin's countries to Christians, I am very sad. I would hope they stay safe & to be that brave is a wondrous part of love for the Christian faith. I would try to leave. I see little hope for those people. I used to think muslims would stop this but now I think they just want to kill & take over anywhere they can. Prayers for the converted Christians.
I’m all in favor of killing terrorists, and as far as I’m concerned that includes their supporters. For instance, if you march in a terrorist parade as far as I’m concerned you are a legitimate target. If you don’t want to be a target, keep your distance from those who are.
I don’t see why we cannot declare war on a non-state organization and prosecute it vigorously. They’re at war with us and we should return the favor.
I am strongly opposed to retaliatory killing of random Muslim civilians, even if there is a reasonable chance some percentage of those you kill are supporters of the terrorists. BTW, doing so would be a violation of the laws of war and of US military law.
The Nazis took civilian hostages and killed them at a 10:1 or 100:1 rate for every German soldier killed by what they considered terrorists. We would call them resistance fighters. We consider the Nazis doing so a main reason they’re The Bad Guys. I don’t want us to become The Bad Guys, so I vigorously oppose any suggestions we imitate them.
I don’t want to be the bad guys but I sure do want to be the alive guys. I want my daughter who is 11 & my grandchildren to live in the same country I did with the same freedoms. Like I said I don’t have answers but I think we better find some ASAP! Have a great day!
I agree 100%.
My opposition to some of the suggestions for retaliation is based at least as much on the notion that doing so will be ineffective as that it is immoral. We shouldn’t take a certain course of action that won’t actually accomplish anything simply because we are frustrated and can’t think of anything else to do.
If my family is a gift from God and was put in my charge, I will answer for what happens to them. I will not watch them be slaughtered because of a vague argument over the 6th Commandment. God has His "people" and then all others. The Bible is for His people. This is and old argument over who will be saved and did Jesus come for the whole world? My common sense tells me that God will judge His people on what they did and believed and all others will be judged guilty because they didn't accept Jesus as their substitution. That means someone is guilty and will end up in Hell. They are NOT His people. The others, which did believe, are going to Heaven, no doubt about it. Their judgment will be on their works, but they will go to Heaven, even if they have the smell of smoke on their garment. As a Christian, I am saved and am forgiven of ALL sins, even the ones that I commit tomorrow. As long as I don't blatantly attack "the innocent",( and that is what we are discussing here), I haven't murdered. I do no relish the idea of killing, but I will if I must to keep the lives God has blessed me with. I understand the difference of opinion, but have already decided what I would do in these situations. I have heard the stories of Christians hiding in closets to keep from confronting intruders because they didn't want to take a hunting rifle and kill the intruders. They and their family were murdered so they wouldn't have to make that choice. I have made the choice in advance and am satisfied that Jesus would forgive me as he does every day for my many shortcomings. He is either my Savior, and stands for me, or it's all a lie. There is no sin bigger than another. If he can forgive me of lust and envy, He can forgive killing people that haven't raised a hand yet to me. Either way, I will defend my family and happily defend yours from evil. I know right when I see it and I certainly know wrong when it is right there in front of me. I have faith that I will be in Heaven because of my Trust, even if Sherman is on a Jury that finds me guilty and puts me to death. There are consequences for every belief and I will accept mine. If you bow to Allah, then they must accept theirs. There have been many names over the years that people called their god, but just as Baal worshipers died at the hand of a righteous man, so to will the moon god worshipers. They can die from my hand or the hand of the One coming on a white horse, but die they will.
We can argue over the details, but it won't change anything. I pray I'm never put in those circumstances, but I already know where I will stand if it comes. We would do better to argue why don't the Christians pack up and leave Somalia rather than stay to be slaughtered, but I know many can't, so you now see the desperation the Christians are put in. If a Somali pirate can get an AK, I bet I could also.
Highly unlikely, simply because it would have been a huge waste of munitions. Now large numbers of those things were certainly hit and there was justifiably little concern given to such collateral damage. But there was no shortage of targets of tactical and strategic value that far exceeded the value of terror attacks.
Deu 32:35 Vengeance is mine, and recompense, for the time when their foot shall slip; for the day of their calamity is at hand, and their doom comes swiftly.’ - posted by God via Harley
I say all of this because we cannot add one iota to our life span nor can we take it from anyone else. Leaving aside murder, if we fight for our existence and succeed, our relationship with the Lord is not changed. No more than when the Lord commanded the Israelites to slaughter the inhabitants of Canaan. It is the Lord who gives life, He who brings about victory in defending it, and He who allows the martrys of saints.
I don’t know how the blind fools can keep repeating this “only 1% are bad” rubbish. If 99% were good they would quickly make short work of the offending 1%.
I have put together a list of talking points outlining the many abuses of Islam. I have this saved on my computer so that I can print this up whenever I need to send a letter to anyone who needs a lesson on Islam. There are 14 points in my talking points and includes many attrocities of the Islamists in history as well as today. This is my own small “Crusade” against the people who occupied my ancestral homeland. We need to educate ourselves about Islam, write down our talking points and start educating the country.
There are many nationalities in this country who have a bad history with Islam. All the people of Southern Europe, as well as Armenians and the Christian minorities of the Middle East have suffered under the cruel Muslims. In addition today there are many immigrants from other countries that have been victims of Islmaic aggression, among them Indians and Africans. We need to keep pointing this out to our spineless politicians who seem to think that it is all about the Muslims. They will pay a price for their pandering to our age-old enemy.
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