[WiscoKid]

She is right.

HRS § 338-13§ 338-13. Certified copiesCurrentness(a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.(b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18.(c) Copies may be made by photography, dry copy reproduction, typing, computer printout or other process approved by the director of health.

Haw. Rev. Stat. Ann. § 338-13 (LexisNexis)

The law in Hawaii says the COLB is legally the same as a full BC. This doesn't settle the true meaning of Natural Born Citizen, but you don't need his long form for that. He already admits his dad wasn't a citizen.

[Sprite518]

“The law in Hawaii says the COLB is legally the same as a full BC.”

Even if true.. The law of Hawaii does not Supersede the U.S. Constitution.

[faucetman]

Actually NO, she is not right. In your quote of the law it keeps talking about “the CERTIFICATE”. In other words that a certified copy of the “ORIGINAL” “BIRTH CERTIFICATE” is legally the same as the original. DUH. They aren't going to allow you to have “the original birth certificate”. They give you a copy, and this law is saying that a copy is just as good. A COLB is NOT a “COPY” of the original.

Now Hawaii has just changed laws & procedures about birth certificates to be able to TRY to get around having to provide a copy of “the original”. It won't work.

[faucetman]

Actually NO, she is not right. In your quote of the law it keeps talking about “the CERTIFICATE”. In other words that a certified copy of the “ORIGINAL” “BIRTH CERTIFICATE” is legally the same as the original. DUH. They aren't going to allow you to have “the original birth certificate”. They give you a copy, and this law is saying that a copy is just as good. A COLB is NOT a “COPY” of the original.

Now Hawaii has just changed laws & procedures about birth certificates to be able to TRY to get around having to provide a copy of “the original”. It won't work.

[DiogenesLamp]

The law in Hawaii says the COLB is legally the same as a full BC. This doesn't settle the true meaning of Natural Born Citizen, but you don't need his long form for that. He already admits his dad wasn't a citizen.

The law in Hawaii also says that birth certificates can be ALTERED, and therefore are NOT irrefutable evidence.

§338-17 Late or altered certificate as evidence. The probative value of a “late” or “altered” certificate shall be determined by the judicial or administrative body or official before whom the certificate is offered as evidence. [L 1949, c 327, §21; RL 1955, §57-20; HRS §338-17; am L 1997, c 305, §4]

I already knew this because as an Adopted child *I* have an "ALTERED" birth certificate. (I also have the original with my real mother and father on it.)