[DiogenesLamp]

The law in Hawaii says the COLB is legally the same as a full BC. This doesn't settle the true meaning of Natural Born Citizen, but you don't need his long form for that. He already admits his dad wasn't a citizen.

The law in Hawaii also says that birth certificates can be ALTERED, and therefore are NOT irrefutable evidence.

§338-17 Late or altered certificate as evidence. The probative value of a “late” or “altered” certificate shall be determined by the judicial or administrative body or official before whom the certificate is offered as evidence. [L 1949, c 327, §21; RL 1955, §57-20; HRS §338-17; am L 1997, c 305, §4]

I already knew this because as an Adopted child *I* have an "ALTERED" birth certificate. (I also have the original with my real mother and father on it.)

[WiscoKid]

>>The law in Hawaii also says that birth certificates can be ALTERED, and therefore are NOT irrefutable evidence.

It’s not irrefutable evidence, it’s prima facie evidence. Which means it’s assumed to be true unless clear evidence to the contrary is found.

Something like a flight record that places his mom outside of the country or something like that would overturn the COLB. But until you have that evidence, it’s assumed to be legit.

And you can alter the name on a BC, you can’t alter the place, date and time of birth. Which is the real issue.