Posted on 04/19/2011 4:43:57 PM PDT by Clint Williams
SonicSpike writes
"The Michigan State Police have a high-tech mobile forensics device that can be used to extract information from cell phones belonging to motorists stopped for minor traffic violations. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of Michigan last Wednesday demanded that state officials stop stonewalling freedom of information requests for information on the program. A US Department of Justice test of the CelleBrite UFED used by Michigan police found the device could grab all of the photos and video off of an iPhone within one-and-a-half minutes. The device works with 3000 different phone models and can even defeat password protections. 'Complete extraction of existing, hidden, and deleted phone data, including call history, text messages, contacts, images, and geotags,' a CelleBrite brochure explains regarding the device's capabilities" Popular Mechanics has a short conversation with a 4th Amendment lawyer about the practice of slurping cellphone data, too, though it's unclear if the Michigan police are actually using these devices to their full potential.
Tensions are running high and everyone is turning on each other...we can't let that happen.
I call truce, we're all on the same side, we have to remember that.
I didn't know that but I didn't post any here. It used to be the best way to get someone to stop with harassing FReep-mails, was never deleted before and I always redacted the profanity.
In any case; if that's the rule now then that's the rule.
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No problems, Ron. It's over.
Amen FRiend...that was a down and dirty argument that wasn't worthy of either of us....must be a sign of how frustrated and angry we both really are....just damn.
We have to learn to keep our heads and remember who the real enemy is.
I hope you have a great night!
FWIW I never really thought you were drinking.
Peewee Herman!
For those who say the police are all good with only a few rotten ones, please pay attention.
The current view is that since you don’t own the cell network, and in many cases the phone itself, you have no right to privacy.
Same with email by the way.
You said something he apparently disagreed with, so instead of calmly presenting a reasoned argument as to why he believed your statements to be incorrect, he just assumes (or assumes for the purposes of starting a flame war) that you're drunk.
Happens all the time here on FR.
The "current view" is wrong. There is an expectation of privacy in letters and in comparable but more modern forms of communication, other than a public conversation or public broadcast. These communications should be legally protected by the 4th Amendment, and the fact that they are not is evidence that those in power in our country have no respect for the Constitution and for the rule of law. I want criminals locked up for a very long time to protect decent people, but I want it done properly. The end does not justify the means.
Cell phones are now computers, not just phones.
Couple things:
1.It is my understanding that they can search your pockets and their contents once you are out of the car. Kind of like going through your wallet.
2.Would it help if you kept your phone in your vehicle and not in your pocket?
3.Don’t they require a search warrant to view content on computers? This is what the phones really are anymore.
I agree with you, but the fact remains the judges do not.
Cries of racial profiling should make it easy for the pigs to further scrutinze even more of the wrong people.
TrueCrypt and FreeOTFE have that "plausible denyability" feature.
There was also an option that when the dummy password was entered and the "harmless folder was opened" then information in the "sensitive folder" would be military grade wiped and overwritten.
I don't know about that feature -- it wouldn't be all that useful, since it could be easily defeated (back up the encrypted files before trying to open them).
Conservatives don’t defend traffic checkpoints
You Wrote: “Conservatives dont defend traffic checkpoints”.
Ha, I wish that was true.
I argued for quite some time yesterday with a long time Freeper who very vigorously defended checkpoints. Advocate their use. Plot new checkpoints. Laugh at search and seizure restrictions. Think Probable Cause is unfortunant and must be thwarted. Hate the 5th Amendment. Lots of Law and Order Conservatives love checkpoints. No joke:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2706684/posts
This is not the first argument I have had on the subject of checkpoints. I have had many arguments about Red Flex, and red light cameras, RICO, Police Beat-downs of “feral humans”. I have argued that Cops should be video taped, audio taped and photographed while doing their jobs. Many Freepers don’t like that. I have argued endlessly against a powerful surveillance State. Many Freepers want a surveillance State.
Their exists an ugly cancer of Statism, Autocracy, in the conservative ranks. Thomas Jefferson, and two centuries has not been able to destroy the Royalist impulses. Remember, the USA is made of of the English, Scots, Irish, Germans, Danes, French, Italians. All people who when we were founded had Kings and Queens. It is still with us.
I agree. I do not understand how anybody who says they love freedom can support police stopping all traffic and doing the “papers, please” routine. That is what the Gestapo guys say in WWII movies. If people really want to cut down drunk driving, they should demand tough penalties for people who actually do something to get caught while driving drunk. Leave everybody else alone until they commit a crime. I am just not down with the “everybody needs to be treated like a criminal and harrassed” approach to law enforcement we have allowed to develop.
I know it's old, but it's probably still going to cost more than a quarter.
That game is too easy to win. When your first turn comes around you just say “Bush did it in the Oval Office.” Game over! ;^)
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