Posted on 04/19/2011 7:00:05 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
With Donald Trump's headline-grabbing call for our President to release his birth certificate, more and more people are discussing the circumstances of Obama's birth. Although it seems likely that Obama is hiding something -- the date of birth, the place, the father -- it is highly unlikely that he is concealing a Kenyan nativity.
The President's mother, Ann Dunham and father, Barack Obama, Sr., supposedly met in a Russian language class at the University of Hawaii. The time was late September, 1960. For the official birth date of August 4, 1961 to work, and assuming that Ann carried her baby for a full term, she would have to have been impregnated sometime in mid November, 1960.
Continuing with the official story, Obama's parents were supposedly married February 2, 1961, on the island of Maui when Ann was approximately 2 ½ months pregnant. It is at this point that we lose track of the President's mother. She is not enrolled at the University of Hawaii. No one sees her (with the possible exception of self appointed best friend Neil Abercrombie, current Governor of Hawaii), and no one can vouch for her whereabouts. That is not the case, however, with Obama's father, Barack Obama, Sr.
Gregg Takiyama, Director of Community and Government Affairs at the University of Hawaii, Manoa campus, has supplied the following information on Obama Sr.'s school attendance: Dates of attendance: Fall 1959 - Spring 1962; Degree awarded: BA - Economics, Spring 1962. Classes were held throughout the year: Fall = August-Dec.; Spring = Jan.-May; Summer = May-Aug.
Apparently, Obama Sr., once he began his Hawaiian education in 1959, never took a break in his studies until he graduated in May of 1962. This is further corroborated in a letter he wrote after graduation on May 29 to his sponsor in Kenya, Tom Mboya. In it, he brags about how fast he finished his studies:
"As you know I have been able to finish my B.A. (hon.) degree and done my M.A. within three years only as contrasted to the normal four years for a B.A. and one to two years for M.A. I have therefore been able to cut on at least two years for my B.A. and Masters." Obviously, Obama Sr. was a serious student.
In the same letter, Obama Sr. says to Mboya: "...this is the time when I feel I should thank you for the help which you gave me when I was coming here." Had Obama Sr. returned to Kenya for the birth of his baby he undoubtedly would have contacted his sponsor. Yet the letter seems to indicate that this is the first time he has thanked or been in touch with Mboya since his arrival in Hawaii in 1959.
Then there are the difficulties of a trip to Kenya in 1961: the costs and the logistics. In an article in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin, September 19, 1959, Shurei Hirozawa wrote of Barack Obama Sr.'s arrival in Hawaii: "The money he saved will only stretch out for two semesters or less because of the high cost of living in Hawaii, he found out. He'll work, he says, and probably apply for a scholarship." Obama Sr. had no money. He certainly wouldn't have had the money for two airplane tickets to Kenya. If that trip took place, Ann's parents would have to have paid the fare.
Since we know Obama Sr. was continually enrolled year round at the University of Hawaii, and he finished in three years' time what would normally take 5 years, any break in his studies would have necessarily been short. Any trip to Kenya would have to have been by air, as going by sea would have taken weeks, if not months.
For the birth to have taken place in Kenya, Ann would have been very pregnant and very near her delivery date when the trip was made. The distance between Honolulu and Nairobi, Kenya is approximately 10,700 miles. In 1961 there would not have been any direct flights, necessitating several stops and perhaps several overnight layovers.
We would then have the spectacle of an 18 year-old first time mother, days away from delivery, leaving the comfort and surroundings of her parents' home (with the blessing of her parents), to embark on a several day exhausting journey, only to arrive in a very third world country to deliver her baby in the primitive medical facilities common in the Africa of 1961. None of this makes sense.
When Obama Sr. was preparing to leave Hawaii for Harvard in June of 1962, he was interviewed by John Griffin of the Honolulu Advertiser. Griffin wrote: "Obama who has been away from Kenya for seven years, said he plans to go home after finishing at Harvard." There is no indication that while he was in Hawaii, Obama Sr. ever returned to his native Kenya, let alone with a pregnant wife in tow.
Finally, in the same letter of May 29, 1962 to sponsor Mboya, it is interesting to note what Obama Sr. had to say about his wife, no, not Ann, but rather his wife in Kenya: "I have enjoyed my stay here, but I will be accelerating my coming home as much as I can. You know my wife is in Nairobi there and I would really appreciate any help you may give her. She is staying with her brother Mr. Wilson Odiawo."
Even though the marriage practices of Kenya were somewhat more relaxed than those of the United States, one has to wonder if Obama Sr. would take his pregnant American wife back to Nairobi where his African wife was waiting for him and if under those circumstances, Ann would consent to go.
The facts we know about Obama Sr. from his school records, newspaper articles, and his own letter to Mboya strongly argue that once he arrived in Hawaii, he never left. If Obama Sr., the father, never traveled to Kenya it would follow that Ann, the mother, never did either.
Of all the uncertainties of our President's first year, whether or not he was born in Kenya should not be one of them.
You are defining "birthers" as a group similar to how the media defines the "Tea Party".
Tea Party = Americans who believe in lower taxes
"birthers" are people who believe in the US Constitution and who do not take the government's word without documentation.
uh sorry. I know you wanted to be offended, but that was not my intention.
I have to agree. Occam’s Razor would suggest the simplest explanation. If he’s hiding his birth record, it’s probably because his name was Barry Soetero, and then he switched it back to “Barack Hussein Obama” because he wanted to be a poser and win his way into the black radical community (when, in fact, he had been raised as a white boy).
That perhaps explains the “out-of-sequence” issue on the certificate number. The name on the COLB can be changed by adoption or by an official name change, but it might change the certificate number.
The trouble at this point is that so many crimes have been committed by both Obama and by government bureaucrats, that the only way to know what really happened is by looking at the transaction logs for Obama’s birth and citizenship records.
The HDOH has indirectly confirmed that the Factcheck COLB is a forgery. See http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2011/03/04/factcheck-forgery-for-dummies/ One of the ways they confirmed that is by revealing that the BC# and “date filed” on the Factcheck COLB are incompatible. Even if Obama forged the Factcheck COLB to hide something “embarrassing” (like who his dad was), that wouldn’t explain why he couldn’t copy down from his valid Hawaii BC the “date filed” and BC# that works. The only reason for him to screw up that combination is if he didn’t have a valid Hawaii BC to get that information from.
There’s way, way more that could and should be said about the way the government bureaucrats have covered for Obama. Stuff like somebody at the State Department specifically disabling the security protocols in order to allow Obama’s passport file to be breached 3 different times - the last time being shortly after the Factcheck photos of the forged COLB were taken. And such as his draft registration having a manual date-stamp of ‘08 rather than ‘80 as they tried to pass it off as (which shows that somebody IN THAT OFFICE actually forged that document for Obama).
I could talk a long time about the crimes committed by government bureaucrats in order to cover for Obama. But until I know you’re the kind of person with the integrity to actually listen, it would be wasted time, and today is going to be busy for me.
If you have the integrity to check out the facts and have some time on your hands, you could start out at http://www.butterdezillion.wordpress.com and follow the links to see the various kinds of evidence we have that there are not only problems with Obama’s documentation but that government bureaucrats are breaking laws in order to hide that fact.
Among other reasons why Obama may not want his transcripts out there is that he obviously never took a course in economics, or if he did, it was some cornball fluff like “Marxist Perspectives on Bolivian Village Marketplaces.”
“I don’t know where he was born or where his parents were born. We won’t know exactly until Obama proves his eligibility with his birth certificate.”
Actually, what proof do we have that he was born in August, 1961?
Based upon Ann’s travel to Seattle, I would say it makes sense that either he was born earlier or he was adopted, since no one seems to have seen her pregnant, or she went to Seattle much earlier and spawned him there in early summer 1961.
When I was in school there really were not that many smart black/mulatto kids with white mothers. I might add single mothers were not as common in those days either I think I would remember an odd kid like that in my class. It is remarkable how few people seem to recall Barry having been in their class, especially during his college years.
In 1969 inter-racial marriage was illegal in TX. I was a groomsman where a black friend married an Iowa girl in San Antonio and it was quite the big deal. It was also quite the big surprise when they went to Iowa where she had failed to mention Al was not the same shade of ivory everybody else was in that small town.
I realize society changed rapidly during the ‘70s but I still find it odd nobody, even in the uber liberal Hawaii and Seattle, remembers squat about a big-eared, half white, dumbass like Barry.
you sound realistic and logical
J Noble you have my vote
I knew quite a few guys at Fordham University in the 60’s who were studying Russian . . . all were in the ROTC and most went onto military careers from which they are now retired.
An admission against interest is one of the highest forms of evidence.
That’s why Abercrombie’s statements to Mike Evans that he couldn’t find a long-form for Obama and that there is no evidence of a Hawaii birth are so earth-shaking. We expect politicians to lie, but politicians don’t make stuff up that would be harmful to their cause.
And the statements to Race Bannon were given before he was a politician. In fact, it appears that he made the comment just as he was transitioning from being Barry Soetoro the Indonesian Occidental student to being Barack Hussein Obama II the supposedly US-born Columbia student. He apparently had no clue that being born in Mombassa would disqualify him from being President - which is what you would expect from somebody raised abroad and unfamiliar with the US (which is one reason why he NEEDS to be disqualified).
He was born of a jackal. Watch the Omen for more details.
That, and the longer he can drag it out the stupider he makes his enemies look when the other shoe finally drops.
I was challenging a post that said "we KNOW Annie was in Kenya prior to the birth".
Until proven otherwise, that statement is just more birther crap.
You misspelled "money". Only rich people had the kind of money needed to engage in transatlantic jetting in the early 1960s -- hence the term "the jet set".
Addendum: I also forgot the obvious political timing issue — making his opponents looks stupid during the height of the 2012 campaign obviously does Obama a lot more good than making them look stupid now.
Absolutely. Obama senior sounds like he barely took enough time away from his studies to even conceive the little bastard.
I have never believed the underaged Stanley Ann would have gone so far away to give birth in Africa, in 1961.
She obviously disappeared to have her baby. Since she shows up with a brand newborn Barry in Seattle suddenly, she probably did what Seattle girls-in-trouble did at the time and headed to Canada to one of the Homes for Unwed Mothers in Vancouver. Probably not the catholic one - maybe the salvation army home. It makes sense. She and the parents probably did not know she was too young to confer citizenship on her baby.
I do not see any involvement by the supposed father at any time after they mated. Not sure they really married. But they were never living together.
Shove your links up your backside, you can’t even prove that he was born!
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