Well in the fifties this guy learned Russian
Posted on 04/19/2011 7:00:05 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
With Donald Trump's headline-grabbing call for our President to release his birth certificate, more and more people are discussing the circumstances of Obama's birth. Although it seems likely that Obama is hiding something -- the date of birth, the place, the father -- it is highly unlikely that he is concealing a Kenyan nativity.
The President's mother, Ann Dunham and father, Barack Obama, Sr., supposedly met in a Russian language class at the University of Hawaii. The time was late September, 1960. For the official birth date of August 4, 1961 to work, and assuming that Ann carried her baby for a full term, she would have to have been impregnated sometime in mid November, 1960.
Continuing with the official story, Obama's parents were supposedly married February 2, 1961, on the island of Maui when Ann was approximately 2 ½ months pregnant. It is at this point that we lose track of the President's mother. She is not enrolled at the University of Hawaii. No one sees her (with the possible exception of self appointed best friend Neil Abercrombie, current Governor of Hawaii), and no one can vouch for her whereabouts. That is not the case, however, with Obama's father, Barack Obama, Sr.
Gregg Takiyama, Director of Community and Government Affairs at the University of Hawaii, Manoa campus, has supplied the following information on Obama Sr.'s school attendance: Dates of attendance: Fall 1959 - Spring 1962; Degree awarded: BA - Economics, Spring 1962. Classes were held throughout the year: Fall = August-Dec.; Spring = Jan.-May; Summer = May-Aug.
Apparently, Obama Sr., once he began his Hawaiian education in 1959, never took a break in his studies until he graduated in May of 1962. This is further corroborated in a letter he wrote after graduation on May 29 to his sponsor in Kenya, Tom Mboya. In it, he brags about how fast he finished his studies:
"As you know I have been able to finish my B.A. (hon.) degree and done my M.A. within three years only as contrasted to the normal four years for a B.A. and one to two years for M.A. I have therefore been able to cut on at least two years for my B.A. and Masters." Obviously, Obama Sr. was a serious student.
In the same letter, Obama Sr. says to Mboya: "...this is the time when I feel I should thank you for the help which you gave me when I was coming here." Had Obama Sr. returned to Kenya for the birth of his baby he undoubtedly would have contacted his sponsor. Yet the letter seems to indicate that this is the first time he has thanked or been in touch with Mboya since his arrival in Hawaii in 1959.
Then there are the difficulties of a trip to Kenya in 1961: the costs and the logistics. In an article in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin, September 19, 1959, Shurei Hirozawa wrote of Barack Obama Sr.'s arrival in Hawaii: "The money he saved will only stretch out for two semesters or less because of the high cost of living in Hawaii, he found out. He'll work, he says, and probably apply for a scholarship." Obama Sr. had no money. He certainly wouldn't have had the money for two airplane tickets to Kenya. If that trip took place, Ann's parents would have to have paid the fare.
Since we know Obama Sr. was continually enrolled year round at the University of Hawaii, and he finished in three years' time what would normally take 5 years, any break in his studies would have necessarily been short. Any trip to Kenya would have to have been by air, as going by sea would have taken weeks, if not months.
For the birth to have taken place in Kenya, Ann would have been very pregnant and very near her delivery date when the trip was made. The distance between Honolulu and Nairobi, Kenya is approximately 10,700 miles. In 1961 there would not have been any direct flights, necessitating several stops and perhaps several overnight layovers.
We would then have the spectacle of an 18 year-old first time mother, days away from delivery, leaving the comfort and surroundings of her parents' home (with the blessing of her parents), to embark on a several day exhausting journey, only to arrive in a very third world country to deliver her baby in the primitive medical facilities common in the Africa of 1961. None of this makes sense.
When Obama Sr. was preparing to leave Hawaii for Harvard in June of 1962, he was interviewed by John Griffin of the Honolulu Advertiser. Griffin wrote: "Obama who has been away from Kenya for seven years, said he plans to go home after finishing at Harvard." There is no indication that while he was in Hawaii, Obama Sr. ever returned to his native Kenya, let alone with a pregnant wife in tow.
Finally, in the same letter of May 29, 1962 to sponsor Mboya, it is interesting to note what Obama Sr. had to say about his wife, no, not Ann, but rather his wife in Kenya: "I have enjoyed my stay here, but I will be accelerating my coming home as much as I can. You know my wife is in Nairobi there and I would really appreciate any help you may give her. She is staying with her brother Mr. Wilson Odiawo."
Even though the marriage practices of Kenya were somewhat more relaxed than those of the United States, one has to wonder if Obama Sr. would take his pregnant American wife back to Nairobi where his African wife was waiting for him and if under those circumstances, Ann would consent to go.
The facts we know about Obama Sr. from his school records, newspaper articles, and his own letter to Mboya strongly argue that once he arrived in Hawaii, he never left. If Obama Sr., the father, never traveled to Kenya it would follow that Ann, the mother, never did either.
Of all the uncertainties of our President's first year, whether or not he was born in Kenya should not be one of them.
I’ve been following this daily since March, 2008. I don’t know who his father is, but I don’t think it is Barak Obama, Sr. Note the spelling of his name. You do not name your child after yourself and then spell the name differently. This is how Sr. spelled his name.
I think Ann went to Seattle to stay with relatives or friends and perhaps gave birth in Canada. Perhaps, she planned to give the child up for adoption, but changed her mind after the birth.
I think Obama, Sr. was befriended by the Dunhams in Hawaii due to political associations. I think he has been used as the father because there were some photos, etc. that could be used to promote the story.
Ann was definitely in Seattle, WA before her baby was a month old. She stayed there and attended college for quite some time. I don’t think she was ever married to Obama, Sr.
Canada and Seattle is where I would concentrate my search for evidence of Ann and her baby if I were able to engage in the investigation.
“So why does he continue to stonewall? Simple. It’s nothing more than a big F.U. to a group of people who didn’t vote for him in ‘08 and won’t vote for him in ‘12 regardless of what documents he coughs up. “
So let’s suppose he does that. What do you suppose is going to be the response in light of the fact that we have a decorated Lt. Col. Lakin sitting in Leavenworth because of his “big F.U.”?
That’s convincing.
I wasn't there to see it.
And your theory about the big FU to the people that saw through him?
Kooky
What's kooky about this? I'd do the same thing. Would we expect a conservative president to acquiesce to every liberal demand? No, we'd expect such a president to tell them to get bent. That's what Obama is doing.
I’m not sure that there ever was an official name change. I think that officially, he is still Barry Soetoro, maybe originally, named Barry Duncan. It would have just made him look so foolish if it came out that Obama made up the name, himself and added even added the “Hussein” middle name to re-inforce his Islamic heritage.
Can you imagine Obama winning the election if it came out that he had been a follower of Black Islam during the eighties, just like Cassius Clay, Lou Alcinder and a host of others? It would have made him look like a radical nut case, like Farrakhan.
You know what I meant.
Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!
It it beyond dispute that Obama is hiding his birth certificate. Not even the most liberal journalist can deny that and nobody can be ridiculed for claiming that. More importantly, the American voter can easily embrace that fact.
It is extremely easy to paint the enablers of Obama's deceit .... for whatever reason Obama wants to deceive .... as "HIDERS" .
The problem with the so-called "Birther" issue is that the "Born in Kenya" theory puts all it's eggs into one, single theory in regards to WHY Obama is hiding the birth certificate and that just happens to be a theory that 75% of American voters simply do not buy and consider "tinfoil hat" stuff.
Hypothetical example:
Candidate John Edwards was caught secretly sending money to a woman. Why?
"She is a KGB agent like Ana Chapman and he is funding a KGB spy ring to help his KGB masters. John Edwards is guilty of treason and America needs to know."
Four months later: "Seventy five percent of America is not buying the KGB theory and the liberal press is having a field day ridiculing us. Could there be another reason for the behavior?"
"NO! The woman is a KGB agent."
"Maybe she is his mistress and he is paying her off?"
"NO! SHE IS A KGB AGENT!"
"She recently gave birth. Maybe John Edwards is paying her because that is his illegitimate child."
"NO! NO! NO! SHE IS A KGB AGENT AND HE IS A TRAITOR!"
"Look, 75% of the American voters simply do not buy the KGB theory."
"KGB! KGB! KGB! TRAITOR! TRAITOR! TRAITOR!"
That's not the way to win an election, folks.
The discussion get turned 180 degrees by the liberal media from "John Edwards is a slimebag" to "John Edward's opponents are a bunch of tinfoil hat kooks" and 75% of all American voters ignore the slimebag and focus on the tinfoil hats.
Our goal should be to ensure that Obama is NOT reelected in 2012. That goal will be hurt by tryinghe 75% of all voters that want no part of it.
In my opinion, the "Born in Kenya" theory has more holes in it than a Swiss cheese factory. More importantly, 75% of all American voters simply ain't gonna buy it and beating them over the head with it only helps Obama paint the oppositions as obsessed kooks.
In my opinion, what is Obama hiding?
1.) That his birth was officially registered as "illegitimate" and his mother was listed as "Single". (Obama, Sr. was already married and polygamy is illegal in the U.S. Nobody has ever seen the marriage license or divorce decree of Obama, Sr. and Staley Ann Dunham.)
2.) That Obama, as an illegitimate child, was born with the name of Barry Dunham. Obama is therefore hiding a "white" surname given at birth that blows the entire "Dreams of my Father" hype out of the water.
Is that highly embarrassing?
You betcha.
What have Obama's lawyers specifically argued in Court when they have defended Obama's legal right to keep the documents hidden?
They have argued that the release would be "embarrassing" and the Courts have agreed.
Does Obama have an iron-clad legal right to refuse to release "embarrasing" information?
Yes.
Does Obama have an iron-clad legal right to cover up an illegal act such as ineligibility for the office of POTUS?
No.
Thus the Court have dismissed arguments that Obama is ineligible for office but, at the same time, have told America that it has no more right to see his birth certificate than America has a right to see your medical record.
Switching the debate from "Birther" to "HIDERS", as ClearCase_guy has done, is a winning strategy.
It switches the debate 180 degrees from "tinfoil hat kooks" to "What are you hiding and why are you hiding it?"
The continued insistence on forcing the cod liver oil of the "Born in Kenya" theory down the unwilling throats of 75% of all voters will bring nothing more than continued ridicule which does absolutely nothing but help Obama get reelected.
“Is there any documentation that she took him along to Seattle? Did she have a babysitter, since I doubt infants were allowed in class back than.”
Well, no babysitter, midwife, neighbor or other human has come forward and said they remember anything about infant Odumbass in Hawaii or Seattle.
Maybe he is a real “alien” as opposed to just being illegal! We should also demand his medical records just in case his blood is green.
See Post 127.
Is Obama hiding something?
You betcha!
Is putting all your eggs in the "Born in Kenya" basket a bad idea?
While I doubt Obama was born in Kenya, what is the writer's evidence for the above statement?
The writer states earlier that Stanley Ann's whereabouts are unknown, following her marriage to Obama Sr in Hawaii in Febr 1961.
If this is true, why does the writer assume a hypothetical trip to Kenya would have to have taken place "very near her delivery date" ?
Why could not the trip have taken place when she was, say, 6 months pregnant in mid-May 1961?
(I tried re-reading the article to see if I missed some part of the writer's reasoning, but still couldn't find it. If anybody has figured this out, please let me know. )
Has that article disappeared down the memory hole yet?
Makes that guy from "Catch Me If You Can" look like a piker.
I'd like to see Sarah Palin's transcripts (and I know they won't be perfect since she was paying her own way), and DeMint's if he runs, and Bachmann's, and those of any RINO (yeah, even Romney and the Huckster). Make a production of the fact that releasing records on their past is an important part of disclosure and understanding the whole person. Release a full, long-form birth certificate and a full college transcript on every candidate except Obama, and there will be more pressure to comply with the legitimate request to release the transcripts. That leaves an obvious hole if Obama refuses to release his transcripts, and even if he releases them but doesn't release the long-form bc.
[Note: I'm posting this on several threads because I think this tactic may make a difference in saving America and I want to hear feedback.]
Since I’ve never seen evidence that she was in Kenya I will have to stick with my instincts. She was certainly more “liberated” than I was at that age but when I was 17 there would have been no way I would have left my mommy that close to birth! I’ve seen no real proof that Stanley Ann & Sr ever really lived together as a happily married couple. I suspect it was arranged just to give the baby a name, so no reason for her to leave her comfortable life.Just sayin’.......
NO matter where he was spawned, NObama is still the offspring of a man who was NOT a US Citizen at the time of Barry’s birth.
Therefore, Barry is not a NATURAL BORN citizen of the USA & therefore is NOT eligible to be President of the USA.
If it turns out that there's something like this -- embarrassing to the family but in no way relevant to Obama's legal qualifications to be President -- finally letting some Birther drag it into the daylight will be an absolutely devastating blow to Obama's opponents (who will be publicly pilloried as not only kooks, but mean-spirited assailants on an innocent family).
Thanks!
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