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Donald Trump’s Incredibly Valuable Role For Conservatives in 2012 (It's not what you think)
MB26

Posted on 04/17/2011 12:14:19 PM PDT by MindBender26

Political blogs across the internet are filled with the latest Doings of The Donald: “Is Trump Really Running For President?” Depending where you look, he is/might/isn’t. Depending on the political leanings of the writer, Trump is anywhere from the AntiChrist to the Second coming of the Christchild.

The actual answer is irrelevant…. but it and Trump’s role are incredibly valuable and important to Conservatives.

In the real world of politics, of course Trump isn’t running. He would never seriously run. For ten thousand reasons, let along the scrutiny it would bring, the need to divest himself of his holdings, the need for him to spend four years negotiating and mediating, where his style, and talent, is telling people what to do and having them do it immediately. Unfortunately for him, that management style doesn’t work with Congress, the Prime Ministers of foreign countries…. or most American citizens for that matter.

If we were electing a benevolent dictator, Trump might really be interested in the job, but Trump realizes that the presidency is not a job for him and he would hate it.

Is he posturing now? Of course. Is it getting himself publicity? The answer to that is, is there anything Trump loves more than publicity? So what is Trump really doing…. for us Conservatives?

Trump is doing an incredibly important job of being our James Carville. Remember what Carville’s REAL job was, other than to do the girls that Clinton found just too ugly to spend horizontal time with.

Carville was the Official Far-Left Bomb Thrower. By saying the things he did, such as “Ken Starr should be kneecapped,” he made all the left and even far-left Dems look like moderate men of reason. Carville would say something wild and crazy, it would get mounds of media attention, then Clinton, Barney Frank or some other Dem would say, “Well, that just the Crazy Cajun… ha ha ha … but you know… in his own crazy way…. James does raise the issue of…….

Carville would raise the issue that mainline Dems were reluctant to raise, then they could hitch their wagon to the now-public discussion Carville’s verbal bomb throwing had created.

Trump is dong the same thing for us. Some serious candidates would love to have a “polite” public discussion about some of the issues Trump is raising, but don’t want to be the one tagged with raising it! Trump solves that problem for us. Can’t you just see one of the Republican presidential primary debates…

Questioner: “Mr. Romney/Gingrich/Barbour/Pawlenty/Etc….. Donald Trump has accused President Obama of not being constitutionally qualified to be president because he is not a US citizen. Do you agree with that?”

Answer: “Well, I think that’s probably just Mr. Trump blowing off some steam… and getting himself a few headlines in the process…. which he loves to do. But you know, he does raise an interesting question. Before anything, the President, whoever he or she is, has to have the faith of the American people. Regardless of who Republicans choose, I think Americans know all of us Republicans up here tonight in this debate deserve that faith. Americans know who we all are…. and what we stand for.”

“As far as President Obama is concerned, if this was just a private matter, I would take him at his word that he really is a citizen.”

“But this is not a private matter. This is the most serious of public matters, affecting every citizen. Mr. Obama has spent all his time and money… and it has been millions of dollars…. paying his lawyers to claim that he shouldn’t have to prove what every other candidate is ready…. and able to do.”

“There are questions.… how serious they are is a matter of debate… but there are questions…. such as the original birth certificate which he refuses to provide… the trips in the 90’s to terrorist-supporting countries using some foreign passport… possibly using a phony social security number.”

“The person who can put this all behind us… is not one of us up here tonight…. it is the President. Make a 2 minute phone call, tell the Hawaii authorities to release to original certificate…. Explain the Muslim country passport…. answer the rest of the questions once and for all instead of dodging them…. and the issue is over…. But if he doesn’t… people are going to continue to worry about the questions Mr. Trump raised.”

"Ending this worry is not up to us. It's up to Mr. Obama... and sometimes... I think all of us wonder... why he refuses to.... or can't.... do so."

That way, the real candidate doesn’t raise the issue… he simply reflects on Trumps questions… and the real candidate comes out a huge winner! Remember, the real winner of every debate is the man or woman who gives the answer everyone talks about the next morning at breakfast…. and that would be the huge answer on everyone's mind.

For that and so much more; thank you Donald!


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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To: Southack

Where is the actual proof that Soros bailed Trump out in 2008? So far all there seem to be are allegations that are not supported by any actual facts.


41 posted on 04/17/2011 2:39:50 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: Bridge_toofar
Polls 18 months out are meaningless. In 2007, polls showed a clear cut battle between the two “obvious” nominees, Hillary and Rudy Giuliani.
42 posted on 04/17/2011 3:03:44 PM PDT by MindBender26 (While the MSM slept.... we have become relevant media in America.)
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To: Will88

I’m not saying that he could not serve, and probably serve rather well as President. I am saying he is WAY too smart to make a serious run for it.


43 posted on 04/17/2011 3:05:27 PM PDT by MindBender26 (While the MSM slept.... we have become relevant media in America.)
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To: MindBender26
I am saying he is WAY too smart to make a serious run for it.

Could be, but Trump also has five kids, and much more deterioration in the US economy could spell the end of most of his wealth. He might decide that the latter phase of his active life would be best spent reversing some of the deterioration. I guess it will depend on what his primary motivations are at this stage of his life.

44 posted on 04/17/2011 3:12:29 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Will88

Reality 101. Trump is not running for president, but his “media presence” gives some great advantages as shown in the original posting.

He is way too smart to seriously run.


45 posted on 04/17/2011 3:17:46 PM PDT by MindBender26 (While the MSM slept.... we have become relevant media in America.)
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To: MindBender26
Reality 101

Reality 101 is that you are not a mind reader. I'm not saying Trump will run, but many things are at play, including a threat to the economy that supports Trump's business and way of life, and the way of life he doubtless wants to leave for his kids. We'll have to wait and see what happens.

46 posted on 04/17/2011 3:27:50 PM PDT by Will88
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To: MindBender26

Good post, but I have faith in the gutlessness of the Republican Party.

Trump could hand them a precise map of what he is doing and how to take advantage of it, but our fearless GOP presidential wannabees would find a way to screw it up. Each and every one of them will be finding a way to polish Zero’s butt, they are scared to death of being caught criticizing him.


47 posted on 04/17/2011 3:36:36 PM PDT by Pelham (Islam, mortal enemy of the free world)
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To: Bridge_toofar

If you consider him to be a serious candidate at this point in time, that’s your prerogative, I don’t.


48 posted on 04/17/2011 3:58:15 PM PDT by izzatzo
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To: MindBender26

“He will not seriously. Why take a chance on getting elected... and having to take huge demotion.”

Trump has built his career and dynasty. He is at an age now where other considerations are of equal importance to him, I believe. Such as his place in history, the welfare of his grand kids (another is on the way this very moment), the welfare of the country he loves that allowed the freedom for his success, something totally new to do - a new challenge, his belief that Obama is screwing everything up, his hating that our country is becoming third rate and that other countries laugh at us. I think the timing is perfect for Trump to actually go for it, to run for President, and to win, as losing is not in Trump’s vocabulary.

Trump’s eldest son and his daughter Ivanka, are now extremely savvy about all of Trump’s business dealings, and in the interim of his Presidency, were he to win, he could safely turn over control to his children and feel secure in knowing they will keep his business dealings running smoothly, with minimal input needed on his part other than overseeing to make sure he has the ultimate decision-making authority. I can’t think of a better time for Trump to actually run than now. If he truly would like to be Prez, now is the time that he has the best and only chance to do so. If he backs out, no one would trust any further future attempts on his part to run at all.

Trump has toyed with the idea of running in the past, so we all know it has been and is on his mind. What a legacy he would have to pass down to his young son by his current wife than to add the title of POTUS to his resume. I’m thinking that all of this is what The Donald is thinking about these days. He may have felt unsure about a bid in the beginning, but considering the enthusiasm he is encountering everywhere he goes, I think if there were some doubts about running, they may be gone now. The only impediment I see in this scenario is his having to divest himself of his financial holdings, and the difficulties that may incur from having to do so. Otherwise, I think The Donald is seriously considering a run. We will see. Que sera sera........the future’s not ours to see.


49 posted on 04/17/2011 5:36:25 PM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: flaglady47
"We will see. Que sera sera........the future’s not ours to see."

Exactly.... and no smart candidate is telegraphing their moves now. Nothing serious will happen until the end of the year, or more probably Q1 of 2012.

The political graveyards are full of supposed "shoe-ins" who peaked too early.

50 posted on 04/17/2011 7:47:45 PM PDT by MindBender26 (While the MSM slept.... we have become relevant media in America.)
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To: flaglady47
#1 reason Trump will not seriously run? He is too smart to run, and he can't afford the demotion.

Remember, in many ways, President of the United States is the worst job in the world.

For the first few months/years, everyone sucks up to you. You are told by your staff you are perfect. Then you realize that they are BSing you, and you begin to doubt everything and everyone around you.

All your most trusted advisers and your Cabinet officials are always pizzing on each other. State is always fighting Defense. EPA and Interior are always at war with Commerce. Treasury/Banking is always at odds with Labor, and everyone hates Justice. CIA and State and Defense are always in a three-sided all out war.

Next, you realize that everyone wants you to do everything, but in ways the Great Unwashed never understand, you are powerless. You can launch nuclear bombers, but you can't stop a terrorist attack. You can make all the speeches you want about jobs, but you can't hire anyone.... at least in the private sector.

You find out that the people you think are your best friends are the ones leaking to the press.... and the press makes up facts to support their view of things. If you are a liberal, you are never liberal enough for the libs. If you are Conservative, if you don't put a statue of John Birch on the WH lawn, you you are not conservative enough.

Every time you say something, the media finds someone who disagrees with you. You could announce that 6+4 = 10, then within 12 hours the president of the International Base Eight Mathematics Foundation would get on the network news disagreeing with you. (BTW, if you didn't get New Math in school, Base Eight is just like Base Ten.... with your thumbs cut off)

You can never just go out for a pizza, you can't prowl the mall with the kids, you can't fart or scratch down there in public without 20 photographers capturing it. Hell, you can't even drive a car on a public street!

Worst of all, you never have the ability to make an individual decision that really helps someone. You never decide what is best. You can only decide what is “less worse.” Every easy decision, or one with winners and losers is made 5 levels below you. You only get to (and have to) make the decisions where everyone gets screwed, and your only decision is who gets screwed less.

Trump is way too smart to get involved with this krep, take the pay cut or put all his assets into the required blind trust.

No, Trump will not seriously run,,,, but will be a huge help in putting the proverbial wooden stake through Obama’s political heart.

51 posted on 04/17/2011 8:15:18 PM PDT by MindBender26 (While the MSM slept.... we have become relevant media in America.)
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To: MindBender26

“No, Trump will not seriously run,,,, but will be a huge help in putting the proverbial wooden stake through Obama’s political heart.”

Well, whether he runs or not (funny how so many people want that suck job, as you portray it), he is performing an incredible service just outing Obama and his Admin. Fine by me. But I wouldn’t totally count Trump out. There is something to be said for men with larger than life egos or nationalistic feelings who want to go down in the history books as POTUS.


52 posted on 04/17/2011 9:08:58 PM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: izzatzo

I never expect every one to be for Trump. You have the duty to push for the candidate of your choice. That does not make you my enemy. When primaries are over, and a winner emerges, that is when we must stand together and work against the Kenyan Socialist because 4 more years of him in power will finish this country off for 2 to 4 decades.


53 posted on 04/17/2011 9:22:41 PM PDT by Bridge_toofar (Trump/Bachmann in 2012)
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To: MindBender26

Agreed! We have north of 12 months to go before a nominee will emerge. I pledge to support whoever that nominee is because Obama is 1000 times worse than any of them.


54 posted on 04/17/2011 9:24:57 PM PDT by Bridge_toofar (Trump/Bachmann in 2012)
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To: Southack; MindBender26
Soros bailed him out in 2008

Do you have a creditable source for that???

55 posted on 04/17/2011 9:53:25 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: danamco

http://www.davidrelkinlaw.com/CM/PressRelease/9.09.08%20dick.cmp.final.pdf


56 posted on 04/17/2011 10:28:24 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: AmericanVictory

http://www.davidrelkinlaw.com/CM/PressRelease/9.09.08%20dick.cmp.final.pdf


57 posted on 04/17/2011 10:28:55 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Steel Wolf

http://www.davidrelkinlaw.com/CM/PressRelease/9.09.08%20dick.cmp.final.pdf


58 posted on 04/17/2011 10:29:25 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

What is your point? There are allegations in a complaint, based on “information and belief” that there was a RICO conspiracy between Soros and Trump, nothing more. No facts supporting this assertion are alleged and none were ever developed or shown. It seems the suit was dismissed without there ever being discovery that would have provided any such facts and that dismissal was affirmed on appeal. The mere general allegation in a complaint that was tossed does not prove anything.


59 posted on 04/17/2011 10:36:12 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: AmericanVictory

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2703277/posts


60 posted on 04/17/2011 10:42:15 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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