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1 posted on 04/15/2011 6:59:08 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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Will It Take A New Political Party to Save America?

It would take a lot of money and several election cycles to get a real political party going. Sadly, I don't think we have enough time left to do it.

2 posted on 04/15/2011 7:02:30 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes


3 posted on 04/15/2011 7:02:45 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: SeekAndFind

This country needs a true Conservative Party. All the ingredients are there for one, but I don’t see any of it coming together for any number of reasons.


7 posted on 04/15/2011 7:08:20 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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Anyone who still utters “Third Party costs the GOP elections”, or, “Ross Perot helped elect Bill Clinton”, is helping liberals get elected in both parties. These nonsense statements only cover the fact that the GOP is running a liberal.

There needs to be more than two parties...the only way to ensure that government is run efficiently and small

A conservative Third Party would easily win elections. As the GOP and DNC continue to fight for Independent, Liberal, Illegal Alien, criminals votes....a conservative Third Party will have a solidified base


8 posted on 04/15/2011 7:10:14 AM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (If I Was Really Born in Hawaii...I Would Proudly Show My Birth Certificate)
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To: SeekAndFind

There is one thing for sure.
We have reached the so called “Tipping Point”.
What we accomplish as Tea Party advocates or just plain old conservative americans will determine our future.
I would like to think that all FReepers are all in.


10 posted on 04/15/2011 7:15:02 AM PDT by certrtwngnut
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I am very disillusioned with the Republican leadership. They have become little more than the court eunuchs to the Great Mandarin.
12 posted on 04/15/2011 7:16:30 AM PDT by The Great RJ (The Bill of Rights: Another bill members of Congress haven't read.)
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It’s 1852 all over again.


13 posted on 04/15/2011 7:17:21 AM PDT by Clock King (Ellisworth Toohey was right: My head's gonna explode.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes, it will. Country-club Dems and Pubs are playing us for fools. Watch Trump pull another Ross Perot.


14 posted on 04/15/2011 7:17:26 AM PDT by stboz
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Until we have enough people of honor and integrity, we should not allow political parties at all.

Sounds idiotic until you listen to the scum on both sides of the aisle and it becomes obvious that their allegiance is to the “Party” and not to “We The People”.

While I tend to be more conservative than most, I constantly voted against an idiot NY State Senator who was very proud that he voted 100% with the party boss. Finally we got rid of this scum but not before the damage was done.

Think of all the damage done by Pellosigalor and Dingy Harry by their insistence of party allegiance over loyalty to the Citizens and Constitution of the USA.

16 posted on 04/15/2011 7:25:27 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Welcome to the new USSA (United Socialist States of Amerika))
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To: SeekAndFind

LOL. This was tried in 1992.


20 posted on 04/15/2011 7:30:34 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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Given that we now have only one party - the Government Party, comprised of both Dems and RINOs, both contriolled by globalist entities, and both having moved well beyond the limited government our Founders sought to encode in their now thwarted efforts at a Constitution - yes: We need a new party.

But I’m afraid we will not get one without large scale bloodshed first.


23 posted on 04/15/2011 7:43:27 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It will not be a third party.

There is only one party now the Rino-Dem party.

The rest of us are only hanging on to the fringe’s


24 posted on 04/15/2011 7:57:45 AM PDT by Venturer
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If the GOP runs a liberal in 2012 (Romney, especially), all bets are off. If a decent conservative runs under the Tea Party banner, I will donate to, work, and vote for that candidate.


25 posted on 04/15/2011 8:04:30 AM PDT by Antoninus (Fight the homosexual agenda. Support marriage -- www.nationformarriage.org)
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Half of Democrats are to the right of half of Republicans.

Until this changes, there is really only one party.


26 posted on 04/15/2011 8:14:32 AM PDT by fnord (Republicans are just the right-wing of the left-wing of American politics)
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I'm feeling so cynical I don't even care if it does. I just cain't wait to punish my so-called conservative Rep in the next election. He has the audacity to brag about the "biggest cuts in history". Anything but Republican or Democrat. This is the first time I've ever said something like that.
27 posted on 04/15/2011 8:18:14 AM PDT by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific!)
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“As we citizens hunker down in the back seat, tightening our seat belts, some of us see the cliff close enough to warrant pulling the emergency brake with the fierce urgency of now in order to avoid a Thelma & Louise event.”

Interesting article, but the writer goes off the track right here.

I wrote about this yesterday in another thread, but let me draw an analogy insofar as “putting on the brakes” is concerned.

Think for a moment of a heavy freight train going down a mountain grade. Yes, it has brakes (both for regular “service” and additional “emergency” capacity). But the sum total of the train’s brakes is capable of only so much “braking horsepower” that can be applied against the momentum of the moving train. As the train speed increases, so does the kinetic energy built up within it. A point will be reached where the train has so much forward momentum that ALL the brakes applied with the FULL AMOUNT of braking power (which is actually “emergency”) will not be able to stop it. The applied brakes might provide some retarding force and slow the train, but what can happen is the brake shoes will actually burn and melt away — and leave the train with no brakes at all. This actually happened in southern California some years’ ago, when a train overloaded with Bauxite ran away down a grade called “The Palmdale Cutoff”, then crashed and destroyed several homes (and a day or two later, a ruptured gas line caught fire and destroyed more of them).

In that wreck, when the engineer first realized the train was reaching a point where control would be lost, he went right to “full service” on the brakes (full service is the most brake you can get without going one step more to emergency). At first, there was some braking, but because the train had more weight than the brakes could handle, the brake shoes actually melted. I believe when he realized full service wasn’t enough, the guy went right to emergency, but by then the damage was done, for once the brake shoes are destroyed, there’s no way to brake the cars anymore. And that was that.

Well, told you that to tell you this:

We have accumulated so high a “mountain” of debt already — and it continues to grow at such an astronomical rate — that the “debt train” may now have so much “weight” and momentum that (like the doomed train above) there’s no way to “brake it” anymore. Even “emergency” actions may no longer prove effective.

And once that point is passed, all that remains is a wreck ahead.

And as I wrote yesterday, perhaps the only way left that the train can be “fixed” is for it to first derail and be so damaged that no one in power will be able to deny what repairs must be made to make it operable again.

Whether it will take “a new political party” to effect such repairs, I can’t say.

But I’ll offer another thought:

Most trains these days have more than one engine, running “in multiple”. In the America of today, we have two factions of thought that are so diverse that they no longer seem able to work together, or believe together. Of course, I’m referring to the red states vs. the blue states. The differences seem so un-bridgeable that it’s almost like a new Civil War could be in the offing. Even such a leftist as Jerry Brown in California admitted this a couple of days ago.

The train wreck is coming.

But AFTER the train wrecks, might the engines be repaired separately, and then “go their own ways”?

One train, down a track that leads to freedom and prosperity and the rights of the individual as envisioned more than two centuries ago by The Founders?

And the other down a multi-culti leftist track to who-knows-where?

Just sayin’....


28 posted on 04/15/2011 8:23:44 AM PDT by Grumplestiltskin (I may look new, but it's only deja vu!)
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Straight and simple, the answer is YES....the existing parties are filled to the brim with nutless idiots. =.=


30 posted on 04/15/2011 8:27:10 AM PDT by cranked
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As I understand it, several states have constitutional provisions prohibiting deficit spending, and most residents of those states (including democrats, republicans and independents) are just fine with having such restrictions on their state legislatures.  So, this idea is not something that would necessarily be unpopular with the majority of the people.
 
We need to amend our federal constitution to require our Congress spend no more than the total of actual revenues, AND a companion provision requiring a minimum of 2/3 vote of both houses of Congress to increase taxes upon the people of the country.
 
This would change the whole ballgame and then we the people would have a snowball's chance of getting a runaway government under control and avoiding an economic collapse. It would not be the end of the matter, but would force our elected representatives to set national priorities and live within our means, etc.
 
There would be no more artificially set "debt limits" to argue about raising periodically. Instead, there would be "revenue limits" (and therefore spending limits) to deal with. If Congress wanted to add a new program, opponents would have a solid constitutional reason to give to their constituents for rejecting the new program, or would be forced to propose tax hikes to pay for it, or eliminate other spending programs equal to the cost of the proposed new program.
 
Imo, THIS is what fiscal conservatives should work toward and unite behind, rather than just giving up without having at least tried this first.

38 posted on 04/15/2011 10:49:43 AM PDT by Let_It_Be_So
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In 1850, how many Whigs would have predicted the demise og their party in just a few years?

How many Americans would have predicted a great civil war in just a decade?

Are we in that much of a different situation to day?

The Republican party originally started as a party within the Whig party, much as the tea party is a party within the Republican party.

It is telling that many of the Republicans which at least used to give lp services to conservatives, now openly deride the tea party.

I think it is extremely likely that the tea party will grow in strength and numbers even as Obama wins a second term. I also think that the result will be the start of a new party which will ultimately lead to the demise of the Republican party. And, I think it is highly likely that the new Tea party president of 2016 will soon find himself in a civil war.

45 posted on 04/15/2011 7:11:22 PM PDT by CharacterCounts (November 4, 2008 - the day America drank the Kool-Aid)
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No way any of that, and more, ever happens. But, consider this:

We live in an era of American history when we should not discount even the highly unlikely as being impossible.

Rough translation: Anything's possible.

55 posted on 04/17/2011 9:33:19 AM PDT by logician2u
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