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Debate stirred over 1st major US tar sands mine (Eco-Idiots working to stop it before it starts)
ap ^ | 4/10/2011 | ap

Posted on 04/10/2011 7:57:00 PM PDT by tobyhill

Beneath the lush, green hills of eastern Utah's Uinta Basin, where elk, bear and bison outnumber people, the soil is saturated with a sticky tar that may soon provide a new domestic source of petroleum for the United States. It would be a first-of-its kind project in the country that some fear could be a slippery slope toward widespread wilderness destruction.

With crude prices surging beyond $100 a barrel, and politicians preaching the need to reduce America's reliance on foreign supplies, companies are now looking for more local sources. One Canadian firm says it's found it in the tar sands of Utah's Book Cliffs.

Alberta-based Earth Energy Resources Inc. aims to start with a roughly 62-acre mine here to produce bitumen, a tar-like form of petroleum, from oil-soaked sands. For decades, other Utah operators have used oil sands as a poor-man's asphalt, and Canada has been wringing oil from the ground for years, but nobody has yet tried to produce petroleum from U.S. soil on such a scale.

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KEYWORDS: energyplan; tarsands; tarsandsmine
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1 posted on 04/10/2011 7:57:01 PM PDT by tobyhill
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To: steelyourfaith; thackney

Ping.


2 posted on 04/10/2011 8:00:20 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: tobyhill

I believe the people should remain jobless and freeze to death before they starve.

This will ensure the ability of tumbleweeds to roam free.


3 posted on 04/10/2011 8:02:14 PM PDT by mmercier
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To: tobyhill

The best thing gov’t could do is quit micro managing our economy. Unfortunately it is overrun with eco-idiots. We will probably return to the dark ages all the while setting on vast energy resources.


4 posted on 04/10/2011 8:03:29 PM PDT by umgud
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To: tobyhill

The eco-nuts who are against the removal of oil from our ocean floors have no answer on what to do with it when it seeps out of the ocean floor.

The consumption is a good thing.


5 posted on 04/10/2011 8:03:35 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The biggest waste of brainpower is to want to change something that's not changeable. -Albert Brooks)
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To: tobyhill

Think of an area near your home. Some place you always like to look at. Then imagine it was proposed that the area be turned into a tar sands facility. Your reaction would be the same as people protesting this proposal. It is not always some enviro trying to stop something like this. Often it is the Chamber of Commerce. Ordinary citizens, property rights advocates and enviros. Life is not so simple as you imagine it.


6 posted on 04/10/2011 8:15:52 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

No one is talking property rights here, it’s rights to use our own resources absent Government intrusion.

Read the first sentence.


7 posted on 04/10/2011 8:22:24 PM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill
It would be a first-of-its kind project in the country that some fear could be a slippery slope toward widespread wilderness destruction.

A slippery slope toward energy independence and self-sufficiency, they mean. What happens to the eco-socialist dream of a world with no cars or other personal transportation capable of going further than about 20 miles in a day if we actually develop new sources of petroleum?
8 posted on 04/10/2011 8:24:41 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: tobyhill

Lush green hills in eastern Utah? Bears, bison and elk? I’m not so sure the author of this story actually visited the site.


9 posted on 04/10/2011 8:24:52 PM PDT by lurk
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To: lurk

Probably has never been to Utah. If it’s that isolated from civilization then there’s no reason they shouldn’t get it.


10 posted on 04/10/2011 8:28:51 PM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

We should have been working on synthetic fuels in a major way a long time ago. It’s a matter of national security. I have read that the US Air Force is not using synthetic fuels for some of the older model jet aircraft as an experimental program. They are looking to the future. But the plants are very limited in operation. We should go ahead and start putting these plants into operation. The ECO nuts will be against this but they are against everything. It will be tough to start these programs with Lisa Jackson at EPA and Ken Salazar at Interior but we need to make an attempt to start. $5/gal gasoline will be here soon and I think this is the time to press forward on this. The Democrats would be fools to try and stop this.


11 posted on 04/10/2011 8:31:56 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: tobyhill

We should have been working on synthetic fuels in a major way a long time ago. It’s a matter of national security. I have read that the US Air Force is not using synthetic fuels for some of the older model jet aircraft as an experimental program. They are looking to the future. But the plants are very limited in operation. We should go ahead and start putting these plants into operation. The ECO nuts will be against this but they are against everything. It will be tough to start these programs with Lisa Jackson at EPA and Ken Salazar at Interior but we need to make an attempt to start. $5/gal gasoline will be here soon and I think this is the time to press forward on this. The Democrats would be fools to try and stop this.


12 posted on 04/10/2011 8:31:56 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom
Some place you always like to look at. Then imagine it was proposed that the area be turned into a tar sands facility. Your reaction would be the same as people protesting this proposal. It is not always some enviro trying to stop something like this

Have you even been to the Uinta Basin, seen the Book Cliffs?

Believe me, nobody is trying to save it because "they like to look at it". And this jerk from Living Rivers doesn't represent the very few people who live in the area.

They'd like jobs better than a vista of gray, barren ugly wasteland.

13 posted on 04/10/2011 8:34:37 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Army Air Corps; Normandy; FreedomPoster; Para-Ord.45; Entrepreneur; tubebender; mmanager; ...
Thanx for the ping AAC !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

14 posted on 04/10/2011 8:37:08 PM PDT by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

“Think of an area near your home. Some place you always like to look at.”

Like, for example, the Cape area proposed for a wind farm off the coast from the Kennedy Kompound in Taxachusetts? Tax for thee but not for me?


15 posted on 04/10/2011 8:46:42 PM PDT by Rembrandt (.. AND the donkey you rode in on.)
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To: tobyhill

More environmental nativism that actually increases pollution and ecological destruction.

Do the activist think that the offsetting sources of Nigeria or Mexico constrain their drilling in some ecologically sensitive manner?

The article is absurdly skewed. They are not called tar sands. They are called oil sands.

The Canandian project has done more to reduce terrorism than almost anything we can imagine. What if all the money we gave Canada were sent to Saudi Arabia?

This is easy— drill baby drill.


16 posted on 04/10/2011 8:47:35 PM PDT by lonestar67 (I remember when unemployment was 4.7 percent)
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To: tobyhill

If, and that is an if, the proposed project degrades an attribute of a community and as a result reduces property values, then certainly property rights are in question.


17 posted on 04/10/2011 9:08:49 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Rembrandt

The company that is putting in the wind turbines off the Mass coast should have to compensate residents for the value of the lost view. That is if a view of the ocean in Mass is considered an added selling point of a home


18 posted on 04/10/2011 9:12:34 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: tobyhill

What do you call 10,000 ecofreaks in the middle of oil tar sands? A good start!


19 posted on 04/10/2011 9:18:31 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: tobyhill
"...Beneath the lush, green hills of eastern Utah's Uinta Basin, where elk, bear and bison outnumber people,..."

I knew this was BS when I read the first line! Been all over Utah. There are very, very few areas that are 'lush green hills'.

Click the link for a satellite view of the map.

Another area mentioned in the article is Book Cliffs. It too is a barren area as is much of southern and eastern Utah.

20 posted on 04/10/2011 9:37:15 PM PDT by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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