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To: Windflier

Someone just tried to use Ramsay on me, tried to say he wanted childrens’ Natural Born Citizenship to be of both NATURAL BORN parents. From what I could tell his issues were with only the requirements for basic citizenship.
I just skimmed the information on him, because I don’t care, it’s going to be known soon. I’m coasting.
(The Left is trying to play some serious catch up on this issue on the internetS, it’s fun to watch).


12 posted on 04/10/2011 5:37:40 PM PDT by CommieCutter (Promote Liberal Extinction: Support gay marriage and abortion!)
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To: CommieCutter
In Ramsay's era, the children of the original citizens would have been the first natural born citizens, and that is what Ramsay meant. Subsequent generations needed to be born of citizen parents as well. That citizenship could have been and can be acquired by every means available, just so long as the parents are citizens at the time of the child's birth.

This birth must occur under the sole jurisdiction of the United States, meaning within sovereign territory, other than for Ambassadors and other figures abroad in service to the nation. Some extend this to the military as well, but there have been various attempts to amend the Constitution in recent decades, in order to extend the definition of the term to encompass the children of military parents who were born abroad. This would have been wholly unnecessary had they been regarded as natural born citizens all along, so this is obviously not regarded as being the case. People do sometimes get their wants and wishes tied up in this, so be forewarned. Also, purely insisting upon Blackstone's English common law is a canard, and if Vattel were to have been the exclusive authority, children born abroad to parents in the military would be unquestionably natural born, that's just the way he rolled. Look at what has actually happened on the ground to keep from getting sidetracked.

Anyone citing the 1790 Act without acknowledging that it was repealed and replaced by that of 1795 is up to no good, too.

It's not as complicated as it sounds, though, when it's all said and done. The objective was no foreign entanglements to be eligible for the Presidency. If another nation can potentially make a legitimate claim upon that individual, then there is doubt. Such doubt can be resolved, or it can mean ineligibillity, but it all boils down to that.

18 posted on 04/10/2011 5:53:10 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: CommieCutter
Someone just tried to use Ramsay on me, tried to say he wanted childrens’ Natural Born Citizenship to be of both NATURAL BORN parents.

Well, that person obviously didn't quite understand the basic concept. You'd have to ask that person how the child's parents came to be Natural Born. Were their parents Natural Born, too? And theirs?

At some point, you're going to run out of NBCs on the family tree. There has to be a starting point, and that point is simple US citizenship. Baby has two US citizen parents, and is born on US soil, he's NBC.

46 posted on 04/10/2011 9:33:13 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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