Posted on 04/10/2011 4:52:10 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Trump has been right in bringing up Obama’s eligibility/natural born citizen issue, the ‘birther’ issue. No one else (at this point in time) has the clout or the guts to tackle it. No other politician or ethical reporter will cover this issue in any depth because the Political Correctness (PC) police have been out in full force intimidating all who might dare to raise any questions. They’ve been very successful too. That’s why ‘birther’ is the name everyone associates with it; and why most associate the meaning the name implies – not born in Hawaii. No independent thought necessary! However, it is an issue that needs to be addressed, if for no other reason that we have military men and women fighting around the world at Obama’s beck and call.
And the high stakes game, it appears will have a few more hands to play.
The issue with Obama’s eligibility (regardless of what the media is trying to lead you to believe) not only involves the place of his birth but also his conflicted allegiances vis-à-vis the citizenship of his father.
Unfortunately, there is no Supreme Court decision that I know of where the Court addresses the specific question (in a case where it is factually necessary to the facts and issue presented) of who can and can’t be a Natural Born Citizen, other than in the penumbra of discussions/historical presentations in cases involving ordinary and/or naturalized citizenship.
However, the relevant writings/common understandings that were available to the Founders and the ones that have been suggested that the Founders relied, suggest (see article by Prof. Solum in ‘Originalism and the Natural Born Citizen Clause’) that to be a natural born citizen requires being born in country to parents (2) who were citizens at the time of the person’s birth.
Further, the significance of the Constitutional provision containing both the terms ‘Citizen’ and ‘Natural Born Citizen’ clearly indicate there is a difference in meaning in the two. This has been recognized in several cases and writings. The reasons for inclusion of the Presidential eligibility restrictions are also recognized as being the need for and/or fear of a person becoming President who did not have complete/sole allegiance to the new nation. In your heart of hearts, do your perceptions of Obama’s actions and ideology validate the Founders' concerns? For me, the answer seems obvious.
Did you see that Trump had a meeting with a group that included a Rep. from Arizona and gave out some homework? In that meeting, Mr. Trump asked for information regarding the term "natural born citizen". Only the Donald can assign research as homework and not have to pay for it. Once Donald Trump receives the information asked for, he will then be in a position to force the main street media's hand; and call them on their decision to cut the public out of considering the Obama eligibility issue in any meaningful, thoughtful way.
Simply labeling everyone asking questions ‘birthers’ is neither meaningful nor thoughtful.
Keep in mind that, Trump also has his mother's naturalized citizenship status as a possible springboard should he decide to file a suit for a Declaratory Judgment indicating he (Trump) is eligible.
That’s an ace in the hole that only Trump has!
Get your Popcorn ready! Trump has sent investigators to Hawaii and is collecting his assigned homework. There are more hands to play!
Ummm, if BHO Sr's marriage to Stanley Ann was bogus because bigamous (remember, he's supposed to have common/tribal-law wife Kezia stasheed at home all this time), then doesn't BHO Sr's citizenship status become immaterial, because BHO Jr was born illegitimately to a single US citizen?
Just askin'.
I'm more interested in the renaturalization issue and his residence in Jakarta.
[Munz] Now they can’t go back and say .. hey we really screwed up.
If this pans out and Obozo turns out to have been ineligible for any reason, not only will The Won be Leavenworth-eligible, but so will Nancy Pelosi, who wilfully crammed Obama's "eligibility" down Hawaii's throat and bullied them into putting him on the ballot.
As for the Dinosaur Media (TM) will be utterly dead, stone dead, their credibility (and many of their careers) incinerated forever. And they'll deserve it, deserve living forever in ignominy, obscurity, and penury.
The US Constitution does not specify married US parents.
Actually, my thoughts are that I have ZERO idea if either of my parents qualify as natural born citizens. All four of my grandparents were immigrants from Eastern Europe, and I know that at least 3 of them passed their citizenship tests, but I have no idea if it was before or after my parents were born.
And my grandfather DID get the question wrong on the test, “Could your son become President of the United States?” He answered, “no”, because he thought that no son of his ever could. (It was, apparently, his only wrong answer.)
I’ve always harbored a suspicion that my SATs were higher than the President’s :)
ONLY if BHO Sr. and SAD were legally married.
In the common law, and all statutes in effect in 1961, bastards did not HAVE fathers.
The concept of legal fathers for bastards was invented by the US Supreme Court in 1973 in Gomez v. Perez (the same Court in the same term that decided Roe v. Wade).
BHO Sr. could not have transmitted British nationality to any children of SAD, since they were not legally married.
I share your concerns. I have a 25 yr old daughter and 15 yr old son. I worry about what life here will be like for them and I feel rather pessimistic about it after all the nation has been through in addition to what Emeror Obummis has put us through.
Trump seems like an attack dog moving in for the kill and I haven’t heard much substance from him. What would a Trump presidency be all about? And in that regard, he has an awful lot in common with Obama himself whose campaign was nearly all about that ‘evil Bush’.
It’s fine to get down and dirty, but at the end of the day someone’s going to have to go and do real work to get us back on track. That’s what my vote will be all about, not who can sling the most mud.
Actually, I'm not.
If the Kenyan Mau-Mau had been married to a Luo woman back home, then any pretended marriage he had acted out with Stanley Ann Dunham to stand up her no-doubt accidental pregnancy (and foolish, and ....) as somehow righteous, would have been null and void under U.S. law because bigamous.
Which would make Junior a ringtailed bastard and one-parent child. No daddy in the law. Right?
So how would that impact NBC status for him, if there was no father in the picture?
Consider: If Stanley Ann had become pregnant after a happy weekend having sex with eight or ten different guys, there would be no way to tell, without paternity testing (which isn't legally required in such cases), whose spermatocyte won the baby race.
With an Oort cloud of possible daddies available, or none in sight and she ain't talking, then how do you determine NBC status of an illegitimate infant?
That's my point.
Which speaks directly to my last, which see.
Furthermore: If it was the Supreme Court that invented the idea of fatherhood for the propagators of bastards in a holding of the Court, then that is case law not constitutional law and is subject to revision and review by any subsequent session of the Court, or any act of the Congress.
It also would arguably not apply to The Won because he was born in 1961.
It also would not modify the black-letter law spelled out in Article II.
I’ve heard the left state so many times “it’s a living document” without any foundation,
that I wouldn’t doubt that they’ll come up with their own definition for “natural born” and just assert it with no legal or constitutional foundation to back up their assertion.
March 1 2011
rushlimbaugh.com / By Popular Demand: Donald Trump
Trump: ....Now, Ari Emanuel, who if you've looked they did Entourage on Ari Emanuel, that's my agent. Rahm is his brother. Ari's a great friend of mine ....
The USSC decided that fathers for bastards was an equal protection (XIV) issue.
>then doesn’t BHO Sr’s citizenship status become immaterial, because BHO Jr was born illegitimately to a single US citizen?<
Good question .. One I do not have a ready answerto. But i suspect that you are correct.
It would come down to (technically) who his father was. Which could only be really secured through DNA tests i would suspect.
As far as the won being Leavenworth eligible, I think he is and certainly so is pelosi and reid. But that again is all the more reason that they have to continue to keep this hidden.
I think that the media is already on it’s way out. Look at the viewer ship of all of them. The only one who has any draw is Fox now. And even they are suspect in a lot.
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