Hawaii official denounces 'ludicrous' birther claims

...state law does not in fact permit the release of "vital records," including an original "record of live birth" — even to the individual whose birth it records. "

I can't imagine any state allowing the release of the original document. To anybody.

Instead, they provide a photostatic copy to those who are eligible to request it.

The problem with a lie is that it varries from person to person.

CNN’s Jon Klein said the original Birth Certificate was destroyed in 2001.

Gov. Neil Abercrombie said there is no Birth Certificate, but Obama’s birth is “written down”, after saying he would produce the Birth Certificate.

Then, all the various talking heads who continue to show a released copy of a COLB, calling it a Birth Certificate, including an Obama campaign adviser...er...reporter with the Wa. Post named Jonathan Capehart, http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/donald-trump-birther-ny-needs-to-get-serious/2011/03/04/AF8PEYaC_blog.html.

Are we all in 3rd grade??

Yes, I have the deed to the White House! I own the White House and the Brooklyn Bridge.

But, but, I am the only one who can see the deed. Nobody else is allowed to see it. Really! Its the rules. Nobody can see it but me...

I have to go home now. Mom is calling me for dinner.

The Hawaiian state health official who personally reviewed Barack Obama’s original birth certificate has affirmed again that the document is “real”
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so in that case you can REALLY show it to us...

“But if he or anybody else wanted a copy of their birth records, they would be told to fill out the appropriate state form and receive back the same computer generated “certification of live birth” form that everybody else gets — which is exactly what Obama did four years ago.”

So does every other state in the union give you a certified copy of the long form, except Hawaii. I sent off for my children's birth records and received certified copies of the long form.

Hawaii official denounces 'ludicrous' birther claims

Why denounce? Why not disprove?

ALSO his SSI# is a "fraud" can one say identity theft... IOTW referenced the web site where this info is published and *&(^& wrap around text makes it tough to read, link is at end. BAD NEWS FOR OBAMA 1890 SS NUMBER TRACED TO JOHN PAUL LUDWIG This news is breaking: This is bad news for Obama. This is what we know so far. We get more info on Jean Paul Ludwig, who was born in 1890, had CT SSN obtained in 1976 and died in HI around 1981. There are 2 SS numbers for him and records show him dying in 2 different states: CA and HI around 1981. The reason this is important, is because there is a similar fact pattern to Obama. Barack Obama is residing today in the White House, using CT SS number 042-68-4425, issued in CT in and around March 1977 to an elderly individual named John Paul Ludwig, who was born in 1890, who is presumed dead and whose death was either never reported to the SS administration or reported and deleted from the database by someone. Obama's maternal grandmother Madelyn Dunham, worked as a part-timer or volunteer in the Probate Office in the Honolulu Hawaii Courthouse. Thus she would have access to the estate files of anyone who died there. Thus if the elderly man originally from CT died intestate in Hawaii with no known relatives, Grandma Dunham would have known this person is a prime candidate to steal the SSN of since there would be no known surviving family worrying about the death benefit from SSN and that the benefit was not likely applied for and thus SSA did not know he died. Thus the SSN remained active for the deceased person and Obama could "adopt" it as his own. This is a clear case of identity theft at the federal level. This is what we know about Ludwig: In 1924, Jean Paul Ludwig worked for Senator Reed of PA, in Washington DC. On the ship manifest of ‘Leviathan’, he listed Senator Reed in Washington, DC as his empl., in answer to where he intended to live in the US. Jean Paul Ludwig had been in the US for 3 yrs in 1924, but he was listed on the “Immigration” manifest and refered to as an alien in the column headings. Listed under “States Immigration Officer at Port of Arrival”, New York, Aug 12, 1924: Jean Paul Ludwig, Date of Arrival: Aug 12, 1924, Port of Departure: Cherbourg, France, Line#: 0008 Line #8: By Whom was Passage Paid: Emp. Mr. Reed; Whether in possession of $50: Yes; Whether ever before in US: Yes; If Yes-Period of Years: 3; Where: PA Whether going to join relative or friend: Empl. Senator Reed, Washingto, DC Length of time alien intends to remain in the US: Always Height 5′5″, Complexion Dk., Hair Br., Eyes Br., Marks of ID: None Place of Birth: France, Ammersville. [link to www.ellisisland.org] First Name: Jean P. Last Name: Ludwig Ethnicity: France Last Place of Residence: Washington, D.C. Date of Arrival: Aug 12, 1924 Age at Arrival: 34 Gender: M Marital Status: S Ship of Travel: Leviathan Port of Departure: Cherbourg, France Manifest Line Number: 0008 U.S. Social Security Death Index Name: Jean Ludwig Birth Date: 17 February 1890 Zip Code of Last Residence: 96816 (Honolulu,HI) Death Date: June 1981 Estimated Age at Death: 91 Last edited by Apuzzo; 03-14-2011 at 05:41 PM. FOR MORE GO HERE ANDDONT FORGET TO BUMP FOR TRUMP! [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

If anyone wants to see what we're looking for, Google Image, “Nordyke twins BC”. They were born on the same day and the same hospital that Zippy claims and you will see the doctors names, signatures, etc, etc, etc.

OR Lolo Soetoro may have always been Barry’s legal birth farther.
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Someone said this to me the other day...

Funny. The governor of the state, Neil Abercrombie, couldn’t find the birth certificate.

Maybe he was stoned at the time.

His BC and his SSI# raise way to many questions for him to be in the White House. Time for that transparency that the Demorats and BHO talk about.

We the citizens of the U.S. and the bosses of the DC bunch, the president included, demand answers and will keep asking for them until we get them.

Clearing the Smoke on Obama’s Eligibility: An Intelligence Investigator’s June 10 Report
"The Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii
In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were four different ways to get an “original birth certificate” on record.
BC1. If the birth was attended by a physician or mid wife, the attending medical professional was required to certify to the Department of Health the facts of the birth date, location, parents’ identities and other information. (See Section 57-8 & 9 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).

BC2. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then all that was required was that one of the parents send in a birth certificate to be filed. The birth certificate could be filed by mail. There appears to have been no requirement for the parent to actually physically appear before “the local registrar of the district.”
It would have been very easy for a relative to forge an absent parent’s signature to a form and mail it in.
In addition, if a claim was made that “neither parent of the newborn child whose birth is unattended as above provided is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local registrar shall secure the necessary information from any person having knowledge of the birth and prepare and file the certificate.” (Section 57-8&9)
.... there is and was no requirement for a physician or midwife to witness, state or report that the baby was born in Hawaii.

BC3. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then, up to the first birthday of the child, a “Delayed Certificate” could be filed, which required that “a summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for delayed filing or the alteration [of a file] shall be endorsed on the certificates”, which “evidence shall be kept in a special permanent file.”
The statute provided that “the probative value of a ‘delayed’ or ‘altered’ certificate shall be determined by the judicial or administrative body or official before whom the certificate is offered as evidence.” (See Section 57- 9, 18, 19 & 20 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).”

BC4. If a child is born in Hawaii, for whom no physician or mid wife filed a certificate of live birth, and for whom no Delayed Certificate was filed before the first birthday, then a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth could be issued upon testimony of an adult (including the subject person [i.e. the birth child as an adult]) if the Office of the Lieutenant Governor was satisfied that a person was born in Hawaii, provided that the person had attained the age of one year.
(See Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961.)
In 1955 the “secretary of the Territory” was in charge of this procedure. In 1960 it was transferred to the Office of the Lieutenant Governor (“the lieutenant governor, or his secretary, or such other person as he may designate or appoint from his office” §338-41 [in 1961]).

In 1982, the vital records law was amended to create a fifth kind of “original birth certificate”. Under Act 182 H.B. NO. 3016-82, “Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that the proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.”
In this way “state policies and procedures” accommodate even “children born out of State” (this is the actual language of Act 182) with an “original birth certificate on record.”

The guy makes it sound like it’s actually impossible for Barack Obama to let people see this. That’s ridiculous.

So now it exists again? Can’t they get their stories straight?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=druQ6olIfm4

So the claim is that he’s using a stolen SSN? Interesting. Could it be that Trumps investigators are onto this angle?

They say it exists, and they say no one is allowed to see it except Obama and he is not allowed to have a copy of his own birth certificate. I guess they think we are really stupid.

Exactly. Having a birth certificate in Hawaii doesn’t mean you were born in that state. That state law allowed those born “without the state or territory” to obtain a BC.

BC is required to get a drivers license in Hawaii:

http://www.co.hawaii.hi.us/vrl/dlgeninfo.html

Excellent, so now, 0bama can get 50 copies and file one copy with the County Clerk of each State Capitol.

After all, General Eisenhower filed his Birth Certificate with the County Clerk!

Verrry interesting. Richard Wolffe of Newsweek reports on the derivation of the name Barack, and Isikoff, who probably still works for Newsweek reports on the birth certificate. Now, why would these two lefties feel it important to report (and cover Obama’s ass) on what heretofore they themselves would lable a non-story?

I think Trump has kicked over a hornets nest, and the Obaba people are running scared.