Posted on 04/09/2011 2:34:10 PM PDT by FreeReign
Only time will tell who won what. Only time. The fact is I agree with people who like and people who dislike the agreement. If you understand that Dems still hold some power and they wanted to cave on nothing then this deal is amazing. But if you felt that the Repubs would go nuclear and demand for a heck of a whole lot more on first swing this was a let down. If you felt that the Repubs didn’t win the senate back and that we still have a senate full of rinos anyways then this deal with socialist Reid was better than nothing. But if you favored a government shutdown because you’d rather have the Dems do nothing and stalement in congress or you didn’t want repubs negotiation with no one or you wanted 100 Billion in cuts or even 61 billion and not 38.5 Billion then this deal is a let down. It is is all based on your point of view. Being allowed to vote on Planned parenthood and Obamacare is one thing but actually having it defunded is another. So that is the situation.
If your like Michele Bachmann then your contradicting yourself because you wanted the GOP to win and get some concessions which are better than nothing and you didn’t want a shutdown because the military would not get payed and refund checks wouldn’t be sent out. Which she said this week on Greta Van Sustern. But then you didn’t vote for the deal, oppose the longer term one yet to be voted on, and want Obamacare defunded. Which she said on a Cavuto special report today. And you are now ranting about cuts being too low and the big battle will be when tackling Paul Ryan’s 2012 budget. So it is what it is.
Would expect nothing less than some on our side to be upset.
Gosh, you sound like a liberal!
watch the name calling!
How about this history: from 1801-1808, Jefferson sliced one-third off the national debt. By comparison to GNP, our current debt is only a little higher.
From 1921-1928, Harding and Coolidge did the same thing (actually, the legislation didn't go through till about 1923, meaning we paid off one-third of the debt in five years).
It's not impossible, it's been done in the past, and what's important is movement. Where are we headed?
If Palin is the candidate, I fully expect Obama to win another four years. If Romney is the candidate, ditto. I'm not sure who will beat him as of today.
But a lot will happen in two years. If the Tea Party can muster another round of throwing the (right) bums out, and increase the Tea Party caucus, by 2012 there will be ongoing and significant cuts---especially if we take the senate as we seem poised to do. Obama won't be able to stop everything. They won't fund his nonsense (see, for ex, in the budget deal how they defunded the new IRS Obamacare agents!!) He will look, I think, much like Clinton in his last two years, talking about school uniforms and equally irrelevant stuff.
But that's IF the Tea Party can hang onto the current guys and weed out more RINOs and a few more Dems in the House and Senate.
I don't think it will matter particularly how conservative the presidential candidate is---Trump, for ex., isn't too conservative at all---but whether the person is perceived as a FIGHTER. I still sense that people are about to explode waiting for someone to really take on Obama and Reid. That's why Trump has such sudden appeal. (Has Palin has been silent on the birth certificate issue? I don't know.)
Right now, based on all the people I know who voted for Obama, it's VERY much like in 1998 where they do not want to admit they made a mistake, especially involving a black man, but they want to make him as irrelevant an impotent as possible. He would be hard pressed against a conservative who doesn't have such incredibly high negatives as Palin, I don't know, maybe a Pawlenty, or Rubio, or someone (I don't have anyone in mind). He would definitely lose FL and OH as of today, and MO would be difficult.
Nonsense. You didn't need "time will tell" after the Battle of Midway, or the Philippine Sea, or Kursk, or Stalingrad.
This is the same. Levin is right, Obama fought a holding action against weenie Republicans and won, clearly won. He won ugly, but the truth is in the numbers. One percent. The GOP "New Majority" with Captain Boehner at the helm got a one-percent deal.
Fah.
Obama and his kitchen Politburo are destroying the Republic and looking forward to building concentration camps, and Boehner's acting as if Sam Rayburn were still Speaker of the House and all were still comity, light-hearted banter, and everyone seeking The Good, and the Rat Party hadn't been taken over by outright Stalinists determined to turn America into the new Gulag State.
And if Ronald Reagan, who was clearly unelectable (it was in all the news), had been the nominee, Jimmy Carter would just as easily been returned to office. Good thing we nominated Bob Dole instead.
You've got some 'splainin' to do.
I don't think it will matter particularly how conservative the presidential candidate is..... but whether the person is perceived as a FIGHTER.
I call b.s. on your "fightin' RiNO" b.s. call. Still hoping for a Judas horse to emerge, to lead all the Sarah fans back into the RiNO corral? You yearning to get the Tea Party to catch fire for Mittens or one of the other "anybody but Sarah" trimmer/nice-guy candidates? You like Chris Christie, for example? "We need RiNO's with Executive Experience, who Know How to Get Things Done" -- like our just completed one-percent budget deal. Yeah, thought so.
Lemme guess. You think the Tea Party is eaten up with "gestural politics" that has "no practical chance" and ought to just go home and content themselves with working for RiNO selectees who went to Yale and Georgetown and Know How to Trim --- err, Get Things Done with Compromise and Solid Legislative Work and Consensus-Building and One Step at a Time. Right?
You're just on fire to tag me as a Romney supporter (never have been in the past), or a Christie supporter (he's good as a governor, but that's all). I don't particularly see the candidate that I think best embodies conservative principles without alienating 60% of the electorate.
But it's pretty typical of Palin supporters around here to get hysterical without even reading the post. I do think Obama would beat her, probably handily. I don't know if he can beat several other candidates---perhaps Pawlenty, perhaps Trump. I don't know. But I do know that by now, after almost three years since she burst on the scene, she has consistently driven her own negatives up despite a best-selling book and a nice little TV show. If you think about that, it's actually kinda hard to do. But then again, I understand that just doesn't register with you.
Ah. The famous RiNO psych perquisite. The kind of crap you guys always pull on real conservatives, from Barry to Ronnie to Sarah, right down to today. Real conservatives, you're sorry to inform the NBC News cameras, are, well, just .... crazy.
I do think Obama would beat her, probably handily....
Like Jimmuh beat Reagan, good reason never, ever to let anyone like Reagan get the nomination. I mean, someone has to be the adult in the room, right?
You people make me sick. Knifing your moral betters, and feeling smug about it to boot, because you know -- you know -- that in a right-ordered universe, people like Reagan and Palin should lick your RiNO paws and kiss your Old School rings and offer eternal fealty to you and the Better Sort of People ...... whereas, of course, converse not true. Loyalty, after all, only works one way. Loyalty up, and patronization down.
The Eleventh Commandment only binds conservatives, not former Romney and McCain staffers and their henchboys.
....after almost three years since she burst on the scene, she has consistently driven her own negatives up....
No, she hasn't -- the menagerie has, and don't you feel good about it? Keeping topsiders topping, and all that. No challenges from below the salt.
I'll let your malice drip all over the thread. Anyone who wants to see what a malevolent RiNO looks like, can come look at your posts.
I think the Jews tried that one on Jesus, and it didn't work then, either.
And like I said, must have touched a nerve that your candidate of choice just won't get in the water. Hmmm. Why? Can't be she ever actually reads her own polls could it?
Oh, really? Touched my nerve? How could you tell, by my not bothering to speculate on your insinuating (and nauseating) little RiNOsceroid speculation?
Sarah has more touch than any Republican candidate since Ronnie. Period. I'll trust her to make her own calls on timing and whatever. If she stands up, announces, and asks the People for funding, you'll think Lake Agassiz had just cut loose.
She is a talent without peer, the liberals all know it and loathe and fear her like no other, and hateful little RiNO's like you are sticking razor blades in little wax dolls all over Connecticut. Way to go, clubby little Pubbies!
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