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The roots of anti-Muslim bigotry (Boston Globe)
Boston Globe ^ | April 4, 2011 | James Carroll

Posted on 04/04/2011 8:57:53 AM PDT by reaganaut1

... [P]ervasive negative attitudes toward Islam go far deeper into the American psyche even than these manifestations suggest, for contempt toward the religion of Mohammed is a foundational pillar of Western civilization. That it is unacknowledged only makes it more pernicious.

European Christian imagination jelled — as European, as Christian, and as imagination — around the mythic 732 triumph of Charles Martel over “infidel’’ Muslim forces in a battle near Poitiers, France. That may seem like an eternity ago and a world away, but still-powerful attitudes that show up in suspicions of widespread Muslim “radicalization’’ were generated then. In epoch-shaping chansons de geste celebrating Charles Martel, Islam was portrayed as nothing less than the anti-Christ. So resonant was its defeat, that Charles Martel was empowered as the effective founder of cohesive European social structures, with his lineage (through his grandson Charlemagne) extending even to present-day royalty.

Edward Gibbon famously shuddered at the thought that, but for Charles Martel, the Koran would be taught to the “circumcised’’ at Oxford instead of the New Testament. (It seems not to have occurred to Gibbon that, had the Poitiers battle gone the other way, Oxford, which dates to 1167, might have been founded years earlier — by, say, disciples of the great Muslim scholar Avicenna, who died in 1037.) From early on, Western civilization understood itself positively against the negative foil of Islam, a polarity that was institutionalized during the decisive centuries of the Crusades. That Christendom failed to liberate the Holy Land from infidel control only made permanent the fear and hatred of Islam.

Meanwhile, as is always true of bigotry, Europeans knew very little about actual Muslims.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: beheading; crusades; islam; jamescarroll
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To: reaganaut1

In this case it isn’t bigotry. Call it “postjudice” (instead of PREjudice). We are wary of Muslims because of their record of murder and mayhem.


61 posted on 04/04/2011 9:41:36 AM PDT by RoadTest (Organized religion is no substitute for the relationship the living God wants with you.)
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To: Owl_Eagle; Balding_Eagle; MEGoody
They aren't blind. The Left and Islam are on the same side.


62 posted on 04/04/2011 9:42:31 AM PDT by Jacquerie (From our Christian religious heritage there is liberty; from Islam there is tyranny.)
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To: WayneS

Excellent!


63 posted on 04/04/2011 9:43:10 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 802 of our national holiday from reality. - That 3 AM phone call? Voicemail...)
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To: Seruzawa

I’ll bet that neither James Carroll nor anyone else on the staff of the Boston Globe ever took course on “Junkyard Dog 101” while in college. However, even these elite progressives might react properly if one night they found themselves dropped inside the fence of “Bubba’s U-Pull-It Automotive Salvage Lot”.

If Bubba’s canine security associates were placed inside the apartment of James Carroll and a loaded shotgun placed in James’ hands, he would probably forget his membership in PETA and his lifelong belief the “violence never solves anything”!

Any takers on that bet?

Same principle, James!


64 posted on 04/04/2011 9:44:34 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ("All it takes for Evil to triumph is for good MEN to do nothing." Edmund Burke)
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To: Fantasywriter; jamese777

He may be gone but you can still ping him...


65 posted on 04/04/2011 9:45:38 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 802 of our national holiday from reality. - That 3 AM phone call? Voicemail...)
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To: Jacquerie

They aren’t blind. The Left THINKS ISLAM AND IT are on the same side.


66 posted on 04/04/2011 9:49:02 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 802 of our national holiday from reality. - That 3 AM phone call? Voicemail...)
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To: reaganaut1

The Boston Globe in general, and James Carroll specifically, have no problem with anti-Catholic and anti-Christian bigotry. They embrace it and propagate it, in fact.


67 posted on 04/04/2011 9:49:15 AM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: Pharmboy

The ruling class Socialists/apologists/Soros/Obama lovers write these articles to show their intellect of history and try to spin their best pseudo-social science/psychobabble that somehow Christians and Jews hate Islam because of post-Crusades and colonial leftover feelings and attitudes...

The readers understand that there is a death cult that wants to take over their lives and kill or convert them, to the word of their pedophile prophet, the faculty lounge, tenured, unionized novelist loves to pontificate the “bias” of the West, while ignoring the obvious assault on our way of life.

He is merely another suicidal, delusional Liberal who prefers self-genocide.

The readers get it, but his fat checks keep coming to produce this drivel.


68 posted on 04/04/2011 9:50:31 AM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: BwanaNdege

I’d be happy to take that bet. (Can I videotape the proceedings for PPV?)


69 posted on 04/04/2011 9:50:46 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 802 of our national holiday from reality. - That 3 AM phone call? Voicemail...)
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To: reaganaut1

Even in the liberal haven of Boston, this article is drawing unrelenting ridicule.

I believe there is a line about not being able to fool all of the people all of the time which applies.


70 posted on 04/04/2011 9:51:26 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Marty62

Ottoman Empire. Saudi Kingdom. Saddam Hussein. Iran. Phillipines. Indonesia. The list is endless, but the groveller welcomes his wife burqua and dhimmitude.


71 posted on 04/04/2011 9:53:20 AM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: null and void
They aren’t blind. The Left THINKS ISLAM AND IT are on the same side.

It's going to be really funny to see all the feminists forced to wear burkas and be forced to pray 5 times a day... San Francisco will be the Mecca of the West...

72 posted on 04/04/2011 9:54:21 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: Jacquerie

Great read.


73 posted on 04/04/2011 9:55:47 AM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: reaganaut1
The roots of anti-Muslim bigotry (Boston Globe)

Easy.
Muslim behavior in the last 1200 years.

Of course, I've given up arguing the point with anyone who has not read at least half of the following books :

The Closed Circle, David Pryce Jones.
Jihad in the West, Paul Fregosi.
What went Wrong?, Bernard Lewis.
From Time Immemorial, Joan Peters.
Unholy Terror, John R. Schindler.
Alms for Jihad,J. Millard Burr and Robert O. Collins

74 posted on 04/04/2011 9:57:25 AM PDT by Publius6961 (There has Never been a "Tax On The Rich" that has not reached the middle class)
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To: reaganaut1
Ignorant Western assumptions about Islam’s inherent slant toward violence still undergird the prejudice that defined preoccupations in Congress last month.

Moslems declared war on America twice during the 1990's and are still at war with us.

75 posted on 04/04/2011 9:59:19 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: PetroniusMaximus

It was a great reward for reading that far in.


76 posted on 04/04/2011 10:00:32 AM PDT by Eldon Tyrell
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
So Lutherans are not Christian.....interesting.....

Appears the tenants of their faith indicate that they believe in Christ as being Devine....and....thet they are saved through God's Grace given through the Fathers sacrifice of the Son....

Simply put...Lutherans believe in Christ as the redeemer and that they are saved through God's Grace....and anything man attempts to do to earn salvation is worthless....that is....other than having faith in Christ....

Are you stating that there is something missing...please do tell what that is?
77 posted on 04/04/2011 10:02:25 AM PDT by PigRigger (Donate to http://www.AdoptAPlatoon.org - The Troops have our front covered, let's guard their backs!)
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To: reaganaut1
had the Poitiers battle gone the other way, Oxford, which dates to 1167, might have been founded years earlier — by, say, disciples of the great Muslim scholar Avicenna, who died in 1037.)

Oh that went well, all that stolen knowledge with which the muslims couldn't do a thing. No innovation, no original scientific advanceent of any kind.

Check out the following list of muslim recipients (while living in an Islamic State) of the Nobel Prizes in Math, Science, Medicine...

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Refute that Achmed!

78 posted on 04/04/2011 10:04:36 AM PDT by Publius6961 (There has Never been a "Tax On The Rich" that has not reached the middle class)
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To: reaganaut1

Modern people know sh*t about history - e tthe auhtor posits their “bigotry” is due to obscure European battles in 732.

What a goof.


79 posted on 04/04/2011 10:05:10 AM PDT by Eldon Tyrell
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To: reaganaut1

“Europeans knew very little about actual Muslims.”

Their dislike of Islam would be much greater if they actually did.


80 posted on 04/04/2011 10:05:10 AM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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