it just occured to me that I didn’t address the rest of your post.
“Of course, that means that British law defines who can be President of the United States. Babble all you want about sovereignty. Even evoke the mighty power of ALL CAPS, but it comes down to the fact that you want to outsource the definition of American citizenship, all because you think it helps you politically, once.”
Are you daft? How is recognizing the sovrignity of another nation somehow outsourcing American Citizenship? What are you denying the existance of other nations? Oooookay.... No. Natural Born Citizenship means born under ONE national Jurisdiction. By having that requirement in the Constitution, the constitution RESTRICTS the office of POTUS to someone who ONLY has American Citizenship, and has only ever had American Citizenship!
Hello? are you really that dense? By having the specific requirement that one be a Natural Born Citizen, the constitution OUTLAWS anyone who has citizenship of any other nation from becoming POTUS. I would say that this rather clearly PREVENTS any other Nation from having any control whatsoever over who can be POTUS.
So by having the Natural Born requirement, the constitution PREVENTS any other Nation from having any influence whatsoever. Hello... why can’t you get that. It isn’t that tough to understand!
“Oh, and if you want to see a real demonstration of “sovereignty” in WWII, Franco, the Spanish dictator, declared that Spanish law recognized the Spanish citizenship of a number of Greek born Greek Jews, whose families had immigrated from Spain. When Ferdinand and Isabella expelled them. In 1492. That gave the Jews Spanish passports, and allowed them to escape extermination by the Nazis, who, by and large, recognized Spanish “sovereignty” and honored the Spanish passports.”
Spain can do anything it likes, and offer paths to citizenships at it’s whim. It doesn’t matter what Spain chooses to do or not to do.
Israel does much the same thing today. If you have and can prove a certain standard of Jewish heritage, you can become a Jewish Citizen. In NO WAY is that a statement about the condition of your birth. Born to an American Mom and an American Dad in the United States, and you were BORN UNDER ONE NATIONAL JURISDICTION. That is what it means.
Born to an American Mother in America, and to a British Father - are you saing that the fathers citizenship is irrelevant and just disappears? Gets erased as if it never existed??
Well you can tilt at that windmill all you like, but it just isn’t the case. The US State Department has always recognized the sovreginity of other nations, and respects that it’s citizens come here, and doing so do NOT lose their citizenship. Or are you saying that every illegal Mexican automatically becomes an American once they cross the border? Of course not, no one is THAT stupid.
“So, in your Bizzaro Birther World, no I had it right the first time, Birther World Bizzaro World, some nation can, 4.5 centuries after a person immigrates, declare their progeny to still be citizens, and we have to recognize that nations sovereignty, and declare everyone in the United States who has an ancestor from there to be a dual national, and thus not a natural born citizen.”
I was going to try and politely reply to this inane insanity, but I changed my mind. I have never even implied such an idiotic ...concept (if you can even call it that). I can’t even figure out WTH you just said. ALL I said is that Natural Born Citizen describes the Birth of a child.
Natural Born Citizen means born under a sole National Jurisdiction. One. If you were born to an American Mom in America, and a British Father, then you were born under two Jurisdictions. Don’t believe me, them take a look at fightthesmears and Obama’s statement regarding his birth. He says he was born under the British Nationality Act of 1948 and he HAD to admit that because it was KNOWN his father was British.
Or are you actually trying to say that a child never inherits the citizenship of his father?
Maybe you are just trying to say that if a man of any citizenship upon having a child in another nation immediately loses his RIGHT to pass his citizenship onto his child?
If so you are absolutely barking mad.
A child born to an American Mother and an American Father on American soil has no other possible citizenship. That is what the Founders wanted - that is what Natural Born Citizen means, born under one sole jurisdiction with only one possible citizenship. A child born to an American mother in America to a British father is a child born under two jurisdictions, just as Obama ADMITTED.
This is what I have been saying for quite some time now. Not any of the BS you just spouted off in your willful denial of the truth. You are deliberately refusing to see the simple truth. Why I have no idea, but the concept really isn’t hard, it isn’t theoretical particle physics for heaven’s sake.
Well, Pilly is part of the Sanity Insanity Squad ping list. LoL.
You are half right, which is batting 1.000 for a Birther. It doesn't matter what Spain does, or doesn't do, when deciding whether someone is a natural born citizen of the United States.
We decide who is an American, not some foreign parliament, potentate or poobah. By claiming that BO eligibility is affected, one way or another, by foreign law, you are abdicating American sovereignty, and perversely claiming to be upholding that sovereignty while doing so.