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To: Danae
Spain can do anything it likes, and offer paths to citizenships at it’s whim. It doesn’t matter what Spain chooses to do or not to do.(emphasis added)

You are half right, which is batting 1.000 for a Birther. It doesn't matter what Spain does, or doesn't do, when deciding whether someone is a natural born citizen of the United States.

We decide who is an American, not some foreign parliament, potentate or poobah. By claiming that BO eligibility is affected, one way or another, by foreign law, you are abdicating American sovereignty, and perversely claiming to be upholding that sovereignty while doing so.

145 posted on 03/31/2011 1:59:11 PM PDT by Pilsner
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To: Pilsner
We decide who is an American, not some foreign parliament, potentate or poobah. By claiming that BO eligibility is affected, one way or another, by foreign law, you are abdicating American sovereignty, and perversely claiming to be upholding that sovereignty while doing so.

Obama was naturally effected. Little Barry Barak Barack Obama Soetoro received his foreign citizenship at birth through his foreign father. We don't know with any real certainty to where he was born. Their was no foreign law that bestowed multi-generational foreign citizenship upon him. In noway is Obama a natural born citizen.

150 posted on 03/31/2011 2:15:12 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Pilsner
“You are half right, which is batting 1.000 for a Birther. It doesn't matter what Spain does, or doesn't do, when deciding whether someone is a natural born citizen of the United States.”

You are getting warmer beerman.

Natural Born Citizenship either exists or it does not in ONE instant, that of Birth. It describes Birth. Just like saying “This newborn baby has this footprint, it is shown here in this inkprint on this piece of paper.” Lets make it easier. It is the same as saying, this child was born in Honolulu Hawaii on August 4th, 1961. It is just a simple truth, a simple DESCRIPTION of a childs birth. Natural Born Citizenship is a Description which expresses the CITIZENSHIP of that child at birth. It isn;t a law, it isn't a demand. It is a DESCRIPTION.

Did you catch on to that yet?

It is a DESCRIPTION. That child was not born a Natural Born Citizen because he was born American and British, he was born in America to an American mother, but ALSO to a British father and has more than one citizenship because of where and WHO he was born to. Thats it.

A Natural Born Citizen was born in America, to American Parents, and IS a Natural Born Citizen because no other jurisdiction (citizenship/nationality) was involved.

I am a Natural Born Citizen. I was born in Hawaii to an American Mother and an American Father. I have NO other citizenship possibilities. That makes me no better than any other American. It simply describes the fact I was born in America to two American parents.

Citizenship isn't decided by us. It is decided by the CONDITIONS a person is BORN under! Hello! Citizenship is something which we are either born with or we aren't. It can change over a person's lifetime. thats nothing new. What is new is some bizarre assertion on your part that we can arbitrarily pay attention to one characteristics of a persons birth and ignore another. Sorry, but we do not get to just pick and choose which characterists to keep and which to throw off. You can't by law decide that a given kid doesn't have blue eyes. You also can't say that the son of a british subject doesn't pass his citizenship to his child. Both are equally impossible.

In the case of citizenship, the ONLY way you could do that would be to disavow every other nationality on earth. We are all Americans according to your illogic. So glad to know that you think every single person who comes to America is hereby an immediate American. Brilliant logic there beerman.

154 posted on 03/31/2011 2:28:24 PM PDT by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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