Posted on 03/25/2011 11:53:10 AM PDT by edpc
Better invest in a little more Poligrip first.
You think Fox News is not factual, but Canadian Newspapers are?
It's going to be one of those conversations, is it? I did not say that Fox News is not factual. I said that Canadian News is more factual than even Fox News is. That is because Canadian News still believes in putting out facts and then optionally commenting on them. American news is all fuzz and opinion and lost puppy dog and celebrity news, and the latest consumer trends and how to lose weight by eating 10,000 kilocalories a day. Even Fox. It's just that when Fox comments on stories, they do so from a more balanced or even (depending on if it's Hannity or that twit Shepard Smith) conservative viewpoint.
I grew up with the Hamilton Spectator and the Globe and Mail and read them on a daily basis. I grew up with exposure to the Hamilton area media, also Toronto, also Buffalo and also Erie, PA. Since I was a kid, I have always had a direct and complete comparison side by side of the two systems. Which I maintain to this day, only I also get my news from the BBC, Euronews, NHK (Japan), RT (Russia), France24, Deutchnews, and even occasionally Al Jazeera just to see what the declared enemy is up to. Where do you get your information from?
You are against the Christian Coalition?
Generally speaking, yes. Sanctimonious squirrels running up trees, squawking and agitating their tails in front of the public's nose. The only difference between them and the public sector union bosses is that their collars are tighter and they have a look of being in the midst of a really bad smell, rather than hosing the television viewers down with red faced spittle flecked invective.
Roberts, Alito, Thomas and Scalia are decent Christian man. If they are given just one more like themselves they will overturn many evils such as abortion/gay marriage etc.
First of all, there are five conservative and practicing Catholics on the Supreme Court - Roberts, Alito, Thomas, Scalia and (sort of) Kennedy, with Sotomayor being a cultural liberal Democrat Catholic-in-name-only. The other three are Jewish. There are no Protestants on the Supreme Court - something of rather significant value, don't you think?
My friend, do you not understand the role of the Supreme Court? They have no authorization to overturn 'evils'. They cannot dismiss abortion, gay marriage etc if the legislature has enacted them. Their job is uphold the law of the land. If you want them to overturn your particular irritations in lieu of proper legislature, that puts you fair and square in the liberal camp in which getting your way regardless of the means is considered to be just. And then the next liberal has his irritations that he wants the judges to enact upon etc, etc. Pin the tail on the legislature, where the responsibility lies; don't engage in liberal bedwetting fantasies about having the Supreme Court do your work for you.
They will restore the right to have prayer/Bible in classrooms and public square etc. They will restore Christian crosses to veterans cemeteries etc, the list is long.
Will idiocy never cease? That is not their job!!!.
But it seems you support many/all of the evils I mentioned?
If you would stop watching the canned movies on the inside of the blinders and poke your head into the real world (and possibly look at my posting history) you might take that statement back very hastily.
You certainly dont sound like a Conservative, certainly not a Christian Conservative.
Maybe not to your shell like ears. I moved to the US in order to live in a conservative country. Now it seems that the tables are turned. However, consider this; we were conservative Christians 1500 years before Calvin was a gleam in the milkman's eye. And with your enthusiastic support for unsupported judicial activism according to your whims of the moment, and the fact that you don't know the roles of either the US or Canadian Supreme Court and are agitating to bypass the legislatures for things that you happen to want, I will laughingly dismiss any claims of conservatism that you bring to the conversation.
And why I think Canada needs a Christian coalition you ask? So that Christians can organize to stand up for God/Christ, to stand up for the unborn.
Yeah? Canada has its share of con artist 'Christian' proselytizers - so much so, that laws had to be enacted in the early 1900s to limit their greed and the scope of their hate speech especially on early radio broadcasts. The true Christians in Canada were appalled by the precursors of Jerry Falwell and Jim Jones (remember that Aimee Semple Mcpherson and her merry ripoff band were Canadian?) and ensured that real Christians could be taken seriously and not stereotyped as scam artists.
BTW the terms pro choice/pro abortion Christian, is a oxymoron! That is a fact and it`s not even debatable.
So? What are you doing about it? You personally? Or are you going to pull a Canadian retreat into the groupthink and anonymity of the committee? Canada needs no Christian Coalition. It simply needs more practicing Christians.
And the latest batch of US Presidents think that Protestants are simply not up to the job of Supreme Court Justice. 67% Catholic and 33% Jewish. With the Christian Coalition in place. Given the current state of Protestant churches, I'd suggest that they pay a little more attention to Christian beliefs and doctrines, and a little less on forming and maintaining coalitions. I will give you the example of the United Church of Canada. How conservative and/or Christian are they, today?
Fox News is not the be all end all, never said that, I have a problem with them because they are only with establishment Conservatives with the exception of Shawn Hannity. However, compared to the rest of the US media it is the best we have.
Where do I get my news? I get a lot of my news right here at Free Republic, I watch Fox News, I surf the dial including PMSNBC and CNN. I even tune in to the phony Joe Scarborough/Morning Joe on MSNBC, I tune in to Wolf Blitzer for even more leftist slant, and for a laugh even Chris Mathews.
Drudge report, I get it from all sides. Aljazera/CBC is where I draw the line.
Conservatism without Social Conservatism is a fraud.
Pains me to say it, but Canada may be to far gone to rescue, but with God all things are possible!
I still hold out hope that the election of a Christian President in the USA in 2012, to replace the NON CHRISTIAN currently holding the position, will hopefully have a trickle down affect into Canada.
President Sarah Palin hopefully!
Very infromative thank you.
Sonny... are you on drugs? The Globe and Mail (conservative refer to as the Slope and Pail) is a conservative newspaper? What! It is a extreme left of left rag and has been carrying the water for the Liberals for years except for when it carries the water for the ultra left NDP party.
The media in Canada with the exception of conservative journalists sprinkled here and there with such papers as the Nation Post and conservative internet blogs is so far left it can't see the horizon of the right.
The CHP The Christian Heritage Party is still in Canada and the only one voting for in my opinion tho they have a single seat and are not likely to get.
Lets shine a little light on some of the false statements of this thread.
Harper is not a conservative. His foreign policy is good mostly, his fiscal policy is one of vote buying (say Paybec) and bailouts like Obama.
He is not a social conservative, he has made the CPC the most pro abortion party in Canada.
Harper has and is building a police state and free speech is censored under his so called Human Rights Commissions and Tribunals. He has been PM long enough he could have stopped the attack on conservatives and Christians by the these kangaroo courts but has in fact supported them every chance he has had.
He along with the other Red Tories (say progressive liberals) who control the party with an iron fist has made membership in the CPC party useless. Members are ignored and even when they vote overwhelmingly in one direction Harper does what he wants which is usually to the left of center. Members no longer select candidates Harper does...qualification = yes men.
MP are controlled by the PMO’s office in everything they say and do. Disagree with Harper and you are gone.
Outspoken private groups and organizations of small c conservatives and social conservatives have seen many underhanded actions against them by operatives at the direction of the progressives running the CPC in Canada.
Yes all the other possible electable parties are worst but not much and the only possible way to get conservatives values back into federal politics in Canada is to be rid of Harper and his cohorts running the other Liberal party known as The Conservative Party of Canada.
As for Canadians being more left than Americans. May I remind you who is President of the United States, a communist, comrade Obama. Canada like the US is divided left and right, there are geographical regions of both countries that lean one way or the other. I would say the breakdown is about equal in both countries. About 1/3 and 1/3 with the other 1/3 not really involved one way or the other. Hard core political ideology, right about 20%, left about 15%. Centrists about 25%. Swing voters (sheeple) about 20%. About 20% never vote or support any political group.
Oh and the TeaParty movement in the US is moving more from the center and some swing voters right, which hopefully will change the breakdown long term.
Absolutely. I admit to the recreational use of albuterol.
The Globe and Mail (conservative refer to as the Slope and Pail)
Wrong. The Globe and Mail humour columnist Richard Needham coined the terms Slope and Pail, and also the Grope and Flail about his own paper in the same manner that the Simpsons refer in various disparaging ways about Fox Television. Get it straight, please.
is a conservative newspaper?
Who is more conservative in Canada? Possibly, the National Post, but not now that Torstar has taken possession. The Globe always was the outlet of Canadian business and the upper class in Toronto, and to a much lesser extent, Montreal. Nationally speaking, they always went with the Conservatives or the Liberals, as the tide in the nation went, but normally went Conservative after the Second World War. They were fully and completely on board with Mulroney. When the Tories went into full self destruct mode, they wandered on over to support the only national party left - the aging thugs of Chretien, followed by the earnest and incompetent Martin. But they have fully championed the Reform Party/Conservative Party since 2005 and all of its efforts.
What! It is a extreme left of left rag and has been carrying the water for the Liberals for years except for when it carries the water for the ultra left NDP party.
They have never carried the water for the NDP and only grudgingly went with the post Trudeau Liberals because the Tories were engaged in free style Dalton Camp eating their young and engaging in full and public self destruction. I despaired of anything Conservative when they gave Joe Who? a second shot at the leadership. Preston Manning was nothing to back, federally, anyway. Who else would they have backed? Answer: nobody else. The Conservative lost by their own bloody hands. And good riddance to the Forward-Backward Progressive Conservative Party, with more nuances than John F Kerry.
The media in Canada with the exception of conservative journalists sprinkled here and there with such papers as the Nation Post and conservative internet blogs is so far left it can't see the horizon of the right.
The National Post tried and was in the same league as the Globe and Mail, but they ultimately failed and now the communists at Torstar have them right where they want them - with the communists running the editorial positions.
You cannot name another more conservative paper in Canada; the desperate flack of "such papers as the Nation (sic) Post" - there aren't any - and "conservative internet blogs" whoever they are - means that you really don't have an argument.
My claims stand. As well as my recreational drug of choice.
I just addressed some of this in my previous post to free_life. The G&M is nowhere near as conservative as it should be (and neither is Canada), but relatively speaking, my claim is accurate. The G&M probably represents Canadian business as least as well as the WSJ represents American business, so it is favourable in that comparison.
Fox News is not the be all end all, never said that, I have a problem with them because they are only with establishment Conservatives with the exception of Shawn Hannity. However, compared to the rest of the US media it is the best we have.
Agreed, mostly. But Sean Hannity does wander over into liberal Catholicism a little too much for my liking, so I have more of a problem with him than a lot of conservatives do.
Where do I get my news? I get a lot of my news right here at Free Republic, I watch Fox News, I surf the dial including PMSNBC and CNN. I even tune in to the phony Joe Scarborough/Morning Joe on MSNBC, I tune in to Wolf Blitzer for even more leftist slant, and for a laugh even Chris Mathews.
I gave you a list of some of my more regular news sources in our last exchange and would exhort you to peruse them once in a while. Anything NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN and PBS can be gathered within a single half hour news cycle and is mirrored with various nuances on all the rest of the outlets. I am very pleased with France24 and Russian TV news is even better for war coverage. Those Russians know their conflicts and don't hesitate on reporting them and analyzing them very well. Try them sometime and you'll be amazed.
Conservatism without Social Conservatism is a fraud.
How many government services do you use? Do you pay for your own garbage collection, water, sewer, snow plowing, roads etc?
Pains me to say it, but Canada may be to far gone to rescue, but with God all things are possible!
Nowhere in Canada is as bad as Jersey, Maryland, the south end of New York, eastern Pennsylvania and that whole area. Yet we have Chris Christie taking on Jersey. Scott Walker is taking on Wisconsin. Haley Barbour is taking on Mississippi. Bobby Jindal is taking on Louisiana. And so on. Don't talk defeat until you are ready to be defeated.
I still hold out hope that the election of a Christian President in the USA in 2012, to replace the NON CHRISTIAN currently holding the position, will hopefully have a trickle down affect into Canada.
Maybe they should just elect a SCOTUS-type Catholic until the Protestants in the United States figure out if they still believe in the Christian God or not.
President Sarah Palin hopefully!
Negative. Senior advisor, with strong ties to the Tea Party and able to influence national policy. She belongs at the grownup table, certainly, but not in center seat, nor as Department head. Bachmann is the best female bet so far, but the right representative has not emerged from the pack so far.
I got to show your post to a few conservative friends of mine.... what a laugh the G&M being anything approaching conservative or right wing politics, they are and have been in the lefts corner since the seventies. I cannot speak pre 75’ish about the G&M but I doubt they have ever strayed from being a propaganda machine of progressives.
And I am not wrong, I did not say conservatives coined the Slope and Pail slang, I said they call it the Slop and Pail. Since people can read what each of us has actually written here it kind blows your credibility.
I have read numerous pro Layton and dipper pieces and editorials in the G&M and at the conservatives expense.
Ah conservative blogs and forums along with a few conservative traditional print journalists are the only voice on the right in Canada outside of radio and few tv commentators, you should read a few and maybe it will wake you outa your delusional state...... Globe and Mail conservative paper.... LOL!
Wouldn’t surprise if you support Harper too.... if it walks and quacks like a progressive it is a red tory.
Are they anything like you?
what a laugh the G&M being anything approaching conservative or right wing politics, they are and have been in the lefts corner since the seventies. I cannot speak pre 75’ish about the G&M but I doubt they have ever strayed from being a propaganda machine of progressives.
Very good. History began when you started to remember things. The history of the Globe and Mail is the history of Bay Street and the upper crust of Upper Canada.
I have read numerous pro Layton and dipper pieces and editorials in the G&M and at the conservatives expense.
Point a few out, if you'd be so good. And let us distinguish between editorial pieces and letters to the editor, in case you haven't clued in as to the difference.
Ah conservative blogs and forums along with a few conservative traditional print journalists are the only voice on the right in Canada outside of radio and few tv commentators, you should read a few and maybe it will wake you outa your delusional state...... Globe and Mail conservative paper.... LOL!
I never said that the Globe and Mail was a conservative paper. I said that it was more conservative than any other in Canada with the possible exception of the pre-Torstar National Post. Has the brain drain, of which I was a part, that complete in Canada, or only in your neighbourhood?
You still have not named any conservative print journalists, papers, blogs, forums, or radio or television commentators after our exchanges so far. Do you have any, or do their identities escape you at the moment?
Wouldn’t surprise if you support Harper too.... if it walks and quacks like a progressive it is a red tory.
Who would you have me support? I am not on the electoral rolls for Canada and have not been for 20 years. In the choice among Layton, Ignatieff and Harper, who would you choose? A more to the point question: what are you doing to ensure a more conservative Canada besides whining on the Internet? Who is yournot leading the Conservative Party right now? Unless and until you put your candidate on top, I will have to conclude that the runts of the Canadian litter are engaging in their favourite activities - whining about politics and doing nothing constructive about it.
The good thing is Canada’s opposition is blessed with mediocrities no one ever heard of... outside of Ontario. They could never form a coherent government.
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