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The foreign-policy debate is going where Ron Paul already was
The Star Ledger ^ | March 23, 2011 | Paul Mulshine

Posted on 03/23/2011 1:26:37 PM PDT by Captain Kirk

As I've noted, the 2012 Republican presidential primary will be vastly different from the 2008 race.

Back then Ron paul was roundly derided for endorsing the traditional conservative approach toward foreign policy.

This time around, a lot of the others are going to have to make a choice between conservatism and the liberal internationalism of the so-called "neo" conservatives. This piece on Haley Barbour from The Hill shows that the debate has begun:

Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour (R) may have set the tone for the foreign policy debate in the Republican presidential nominating contest when he questioned the war in Afghanistan and its costs.

Barbour’s comments were quickly met with derision from the neocon wing of the GOP, but some Tea Party-affiliated lawmakers said the governor was taking a strong conservative stand on spending.

The differing reactions illustrate a tough political reality for Republicans in 2012: Even as public opinion increasingly turns against the war in Afghanistan and concern over the deficit intensifies, embracing talk of defense cuts and troop pullouts may still be a bridge too far.

And note the squeals from Bill "My Mommy Was a Commie" Kristol:

Neocons pounced on his statements. Writing in The Weekly Standard, Bill Kristol called Barbour's comments "irresponsible" and accused him of "pandering" to public opinion, suggesting there may be an opening in 2012 for a candidate who questions the direction in Afghanistan and puts defense cuts on the table.

(Excerpt) Read more at blog.nj.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; blimp; iraq; libya; mrspaulsshrimp; paul4afgahnwar; paul4pakistanwar; paulestinians; paulmulshine; paultards; paulvotedyes2war; pualvotedyes2war; rontards; wot

1 posted on 03/23/2011 1:26:42 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk

Going where no man has gone before?.........He’s dating Hillary!?......


2 posted on 03/23/2011 1:29:58 PM PDT by Red Badger (How can anyone look at the situation in Libya and be for gun control is beyond stupid. It's suicide.)
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To: Captain Kirk

Ron Paul voted for war in Afghanistan.

An undeclared war.


3 posted on 03/23/2011 1:31:36 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Impeach Obama & try him for treason / Homosexuals reject diversity / Unions finally caught for theft)
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To: Captain Kirk

We’re not going to talk about his virulent anti-Semitism, I assume? Do you really think that the United States can withdraw from the world stage and everything will be okey-dokey? That China, Iran and Russia won’t fill the void? Heck, it’s already happening! See Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Yeman, Iraq and a dozen other places...


4 posted on 03/23/2011 1:33:33 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ("You cannot invade the US There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass." Yamamoto)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The mice will play while the cat’s away................


5 posted on 03/23/2011 1:35:50 PM PDT by Red Badger (How can anyone look at the situation in Libya and be for gun control is beyond stupid. It's suicide.)
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To: Captain Kirk
Ron paul was roundly derided for endorsing the traditional conservative approach toward foreign policy.


6 posted on 03/23/2011 1:41:06 PM PDT by McGruff (Drill, Baby, Drill.)
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To: NoLibZone
Ron Paul voted for war in Afghanistan

If I recall correctly, he voted for authorizing the use of force to take down a gov't that knowingly allowed former US ally osama bin laden to plot the 9/11 attack - how many years ago was that accomplished?

That was a legitimate use of force - the endless occupation was/is an immoral, idiotic, unconstitutional crime.

7 posted on 03/23/2011 1:42:47 PM PDT by LIBERTARIAN JOE (Don't blame me - I voted for Ron Paul!)
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To: Captain Kirk

Ron Paul is completely ignorant of international politics, and has been repeating enemy propaganda.
That’s what happens when you think you have all the answers in advance.


8 posted on 03/23/2011 1:43:47 PM PDT by Vincent Jappi (I love cats.)
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To: LIBERTARIAN JOE

He voted for an undeclared war spanning more than one nation.

H J RES 64

BILL TITLE: To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.


9 posted on 03/23/2011 1:49:53 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Impeach Obama & try him for treason / Homosexuals reject diversity / Unions finally caught for theft)
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To: Captain Kirk

Wow! I didn’t know that Code Pink was endorsing the traditional conservative approach toward foreign policy. According to this idiot author they must be considering that they and Ron Paul have the same foreign policy positions. The pervert Paul is dying to cut off Israel, weaken and pervert our military but then he always appeases our enemies. Paul distorts the history of the Founders toward this end. He is a deceitful coward.


10 posted on 03/23/2011 2:02:47 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: TheBigIf; All
By the time the 2012 election rolls around, we will have been in Afghanistan for eleven years.

And we will be no closer to victory than we were ten years ago.

Are you okay with that? How about twenty years? Fifty?

11 posted on 03/23/2011 3:40:23 PM PDT by Notary Sojac (When you buy stocks, you're betting on Bernanke)
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To: Notary Sojac; All

By the time the 2012 election rolls around, we will have been in Afghanistan for eleven years.

And we will be no closer to victory than we were ten years ago.

Are you okay with that? How about twenty years? Fifty?


Unfortunately, too many posting on this thread are Liberal Globalists. They are more concerned with what Communist China, India, and Muslims “feel”....than what is in the best interests of America

Reality is that those who support continued fighting in Afghanistan are just Liberal Globalists. Not a single one has any comittment to win in Afghanistan.


12 posted on 03/23/2011 4:38:29 PM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (Will Japan blame America for its latest nuking?)
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To: Notary Sojac

And how much of that has to do with the resistence we see from libtards like Paul and Code Pink who continually try to undermine every foreign policy that we undertake?

I am perfectly alright with fighting terrorism and dictatorships in the world.

What I am not alright with is the constant anti-American banter by the likes of Ron Paul and Code Pink. Who deliberatly have a mission to make it impossible for this nation to defend ourselves in the world.

For well over ten years now we have heard the democrats, Code Pinl, the libertarians, Ron Paul continually try and give moral support to our enemies.

Are you alright with that?


13 posted on 03/23/2011 6:43:32 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

Your post is complete BS. It is the Ron Paul types who stand out and hold hands prtotesting eith anti-American gloabalist groups like International A.N.S.W.E.R. and Code Pink.

You pukes like to throw around terms like neo-con to smear American conservatives but it is you who continually hold hands with the homosexual rights crowd, the anti-American terorrist rights groups and wit the real globalists who seek to undermine America’s NATIONAL SECURITY.


14 posted on 03/23/2011 6:46:44 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: TheBigIf
I'm OK with either fighting a war to win quickly and decisively, or getting out. Nothing in between.
15 posted on 03/24/2011 7:23:01 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (When you buy stocks, you're betting on Bernanke)
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