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To: dayglored
Since we have the physics guys on the thread, the article contained the following quote:

"While the maximum vessel temperature set by the reactors' designers is 302 C degrees, the surface temperature of the No. 1 reactor vessel briefly topped 400 C and dropped to about 350 C by noon, and that of the No. 3 reactor vessel stood at about 305 C, the agency said."

350 C is only 662 F. That seems to be very low for a stainless steel structure. You could barely melt lead (327 C) at those temperatures. Stainless Steel shouldn't melt until over 1500 C. Is there something else going on here or do they just have a massive safety factor built into their warranties.
21 posted on 03/23/2011 1:39:13 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: GonzoGOP

Stainles steel becomes very brittle after temperature cycling in excesses. That is why rewelding cracked stainless welds is very difficult if you want anything more than cosmetic repairs.


25 posted on 03/23/2011 1:44:20 PM PDT by blackdog
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To: GonzoGOP
350 C is only 662 F. That seems to be very low for a stainless steel structure. You could barely melt lead (327 C) at those temperatures. Stainless Steel shouldn't melt until over 1500 C. Is there something else going on here or do they just have a massive safety factor built into their warranties.

It's the concern over the fuel rods themselves that are of concern. If the reactor vessel is 300 C, then the fuel within is certainly hotter. The heat, as I understand it, damages and can break down the plating on the rods in such a way that at some point, a nuclear reaction can occur which would produce an enormous amount of heat.

The idea is to cool the fuel down to prevent it from going "critical".

Ideally, the entire fuel assembly should be covered with water (normally, circulating through a heat exchanger of some sort as part of its circulation, to remove excess heat). They're trying to achieve that with sea water, and they're adding boron or boric acid (not sure which) to further reduce and block neutron flow so that the fuel is much less likely to go critical.

38 posted on 03/23/2011 1:54:43 PM PDT by meyer (We will not sit down and shut up.)
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To: GonzoGOP

I’m not sure which low alloy steel is used in fabricating the reactor but it is not stainless steel. Yes, there are safety factors involved in the design and the operation of a nuclear power plant. For one thing the quality control requires mill certifications on the structural materials used in the construction. As on example, some of the steel may be an A36 spec. That means it will have a minimum tensile strength of 36,000 psi and ultimate tensile strength of 58,000–80,000 psi. The mill certification which documents the strength determined by the tests conducted on samples taken from the melt, is higher than 36,000. But 36,000 is what the safety factor is based on.

I don’t recall the ultimate but many of the mill certs we had for A36 was greater than 40,000 psi.


59 posted on 03/23/2011 2:11:50 PM PDT by meatloaf
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Steel looses its strength as temperatures increase.

In order to be 662 F and have water in liquid form the pressure inside has to be quite high. When you consider the size of the containment vessel and the pressure there are tremendous forces at work. It isn’t hard to believe the combination of those forces and temperatures beyond the design limits could cause a breach.


238 posted on 03/23/2011 10:48:11 PM PDT by DB
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