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Sales of new U.S. homes tumble 16.9% to record low
CBS Marketwatch ^ | March 23, 2011 | by Steve Goldstein

Posted on 03/23/2011 7:25:12 AM PDT by library user

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To: RockinRight
1. Stay here until we die, accept that we’ll never leave this liberal hellhole of a state, or spend all our cash to pay down a mortgage on an asset worth much less than the loan to MAYBE move in 10 - 14 years...

I'd vote for #1, but change the attitude to a bit less negative ;) You have to have somewhere to live anyway, and paying rent (which you would have to do if you foreclosed b/c getting a loan after that would not be easy) would be no different than what you're doing now. Eventually, you'll break even - have you calculated when? $30K isn't that much to be upside down these days - many here (CA) are $100K-$200K upside down.
61 posted on 03/23/2011 8:25:20 AM PDT by CottonBall
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To: TexasFreeper2009

LOL! Let me qualify that

If houses were $100 and in a place I’d ever consider owning a piece of or living near, I might buy 10 of them

I know there is big money in being a slum lord but I am a different kind of buyer, I never buy anything anywhere unless I would personally live there


62 posted on 03/23/2011 8:26:44 AM PDT by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: agere_contra
Hyperinflation increases the sticker price of most assets, but trashes the price of domestic housing due to the way mortgages work.

Why is that?
63 posted on 03/23/2011 8:26:55 AM PDT by CottonBall
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To: library user; All

The one area of the economy which has no inflation.

It’s crashing and burning, but hey, there ain’t no inflation there!


64 posted on 03/23/2011 8:27:39 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (For the first time in my adult life, I'm scared of my government.)
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To: silverleaf

Absolutely right. Housing will find it’s natural bottom. We could have dropped all the way there 2 years ago but we merely delayed it. We can delay it longer but that just prolongs the pain.

We are in danger of following the Japanese model of delaying the pain through government intervention. Their economy has stagnated for 20 years. After all of their tinkering the Nikkei is down 75% from 1990.


65 posted on 03/23/2011 8:28:25 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: TexasFreeper2009; Publius Valerius
was the brakeup of AT&T a good or a bad thing?

Depends on how one looks at it. From the standpoint of most traditional telecom employees, it was a bad thing as tremendous disruption resulted.

66 posted on 03/23/2011 8:29:45 AM PDT by fso301
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To: TexasFreeper2009

If it is “too big to fail” it is also “ too big to rescue”.


67 posted on 03/23/2011 8:30:02 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (For the first time in my adult life, I'm scared of my government.)
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To: raisincane

Went With the Wind...........


68 posted on 03/23/2011 8:30:38 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Grunthor
I rented for 10 years after getting out of the Army, just bought my first home (a farm) recently. It was built in 1967 and priced 100,000 below the actual value.

What does actual value mean? Was someone else willing to pay $100K more for that property?

69 posted on 03/23/2011 8:31:05 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
was the brakeup of AT&T a good or a bad thing?

Bad. And largely pointless considering that AT&T has reacquired a lot of the "Baby Bells," except for Verizon, which was mostly GTE to begin with. The government should not exist to police the size of companies. Even in the Obama administration, which has taken a fond view of Section 2, the AT&T breakup wouldn't happen today. It's just not good policy.

70 posted on 03/23/2011 8:32:23 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Because the government let them get “to big to fail”

Agreed. When was the last time the government prevented a merger? Whether it be the banks, airlines or media the last things they concern themselves with is competition, too big to fail and how will it benefit "we the people". Constitutional rights were bestowed upon "we the people", yet we've become the last and least consideration.

71 posted on 03/23/2011 8:34:20 AM PDT by apoliticalone (Conservatism is about putting the USA first, not international bankers and corporations)
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To: Abathar
When the DIY and HGTV networks had all those shows about house-flipping, it was clear the era of house flipping was over.

Eventually, housing prices have to normalize to what the average working person can afford to pay.

72 posted on 03/23/2011 8:35:15 AM PDT by Richard Kimball (Proud member of the Keepers Of Odd Knowledge (KOOK))
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To: apoliticalone
When was the last time the government prevented a merger?

Happens with some frequency in the Obama administration. Consumers saddened.

73 posted on 03/23/2011 8:39:38 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: Publius Valerius
AT&T was acquired by one of the "Baby Bells," Southwestern Bell, which then changed it's name to AT&T. I don't know whether the breakup was good or bad. Bell Telephone, like most monopolies, was big on service, but short on innovation. It was against Bell policies to have an "unauthorized phone." All the phones were the property of Bell, and were rented on a monthly basis. Putting an extension line in the house cost extra, and you were in big trouble if you got caught putting one in yourself.

Monthly service was five bucks, which meant just about everyone could have a phone, but long distance was nearly a buck a minute in a lot of instances. I can't imagine a monopoly creating the level of innovation that's going on in wireless communications.

74 posted on 03/23/2011 8:40:52 AM PDT by Richard Kimball (Proud member of the Keepers Of Odd Knowledge (KOOK))
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To: PatriotGirl827

bookmark for later read


75 posted on 03/23/2011 8:41:47 AM PDT by PatriotGirl827 (Lord Jesus, direct my mind, possess my heart, transform my life)
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To: CottonBall

Here’s an example which I hope shows what I mean.

Imagine that you are a loan officer for a Bank in the Weimar Republic.

There’s a house on Berlinstrasse worth 10,000 Marks, someone wants to live there and you are asked to offer a mortgage.

But it’s 1922, and people’s paychecks devalue so fast that they have to be paid in the morning so they can buy groceries. Also: the house is worth 10,000 Marks at midday, but 10,150 Marks at 6 pm.

No conceivable mortgage plan could keep up with this hyperinflation while maintaining value for the Bank.

The only realistic way to trade a house (or ANY good) during hyperinflation is for cash (or goods or services) on the nail.

Hope this was helpful.


76 posted on 03/23/2011 8:42:27 AM PDT by agere_contra (Whenever a Liberal admits to something: he is covering up something far worse)
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To: library user

And yet, Obama’s provisionary Muslim Government will try to spin this into somehow being a good thing and sure sign of continuing recovery. As we slide down this pile of crap Obama is visiting upon us, he and his minions will be telling us how nice the smell is.


77 posted on 03/23/2011 8:43:02 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: library user

And it’s not just new home sales — it’s across the board. It’s highly likely you’ll see more reports of that in the coming months. The housing market is in bad shape, and getting worse.

We’re in the mortgage business, and we haven’t taken an application in nearly three months. Business just stopped in January. Usually we do 3-4 loans a month during the slower months, but this time business didn’t just slow down, it stopped.

On top of that, we have Account Execs with our lenders frantically calling us, begging for business. In the eight years we’ve been in the industry we’ve never seen it like this. It’s bad — really bad.


78 posted on 03/23/2011 8:45:15 AM PDT by AnglePark
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To: RockinRight
Sometimes, the right thing to do and the right thing to do for you and your family are two different things.

Most business's would cut their losses in a similar situation, while as individuals, our upbringing tells us we have to keep our commitments.

If you decide the former, make certain you know all possible tax ramifications (if any), and to what extent a lender can pursue the debt in your particular state.

Either way, don't be concerned with what others may think. It's your decision and your decision alone.

79 posted on 03/23/2011 8:45:50 AM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: CottonBall

... and I forgot to mention the important point.

Which is that without mortgages, most people simply cannot buy houses. They don’t have enough ready money. So the demand for houses drops and the (real) price of houses plummets.

But this is great for anyone with enough cash (or rather, enough precious metals). 200 oz of Gold will buy a great new house at any time - but during Hyperinflation, 200 oz of Silver might be enough.


80 posted on 03/23/2011 8:46:35 AM PDT by agere_contra (Whenever a Liberal admits to something: he is covering up something far worse)
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