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To: K-Stater; LetMarch
The scientific reasoning that explains how an machine weighing hundred of tons can go hurtling through the air thousands of feet off the ground is known as the theory of flight. Shall we stop teaching that since, by your definition, it is a lie to teach a theory as fact?

Your reasoning is faulty. There are always two parts to a theory, the theory itself and the proof of the theory. As an example the theory of gravity is proved by the simple expedient of dropping something and watching it fall, when this happens the theory of gravity becomes fact. When the first aircraft, not the Wright flyer but the many non-powered gliders before that, actually used it's wings to create lift and soared through the air, it proved the theory of flight and it became a fact, one that is proved every day of our lives. Neither evolution or creationism have been proved, they are both theories and one is as valid to be taught in a class as another. Evolution has many liars claims in an attempt to prove it but so far they are all failures. Creationism has also not been proved.

Both theories have their champions that claim they are facts, evolutionists lie about this all the time as if stating it is a proven fact actually makes it so. Creationist also claim that their theory is a fact, but claiming it does not make it so.

One major difference between the two theories is that the fossil record actually disproves evolution(as defined by Darwin)where as there is nothing that disproves Creationism.

No further discussion of this subject is desired.

43 posted on 03/22/2011 3:46:32 PM PDT by calex59
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To: calex59
No further discussion of this subject is desired.

Darn. Because your post was very amusing; I'd hoped for more.

48 posted on 03/22/2011 3:57:36 PM PDT by K-Stater
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To: calex59

And your reasoning is not only wrong, it is in error. Just because we call it science does not make it science, and just because we call it a theory does not make it a theory.

Actually, the Holy Scriptures says: “Let God be true, and all men be liers.

You & I both will like: “O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called.” (1 Timothy 6:20)
Another is in Revelation 3:1b; “I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.”

And another: “Come now, and let us reason together saith the LORD,..... (Isaiah 1:18a)

Creation itself is proof that there is a designer, and His beautiful creation was perfect at the beginning, but it has not evolved,but degenerated year by year.

Also: “By the Word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of His mouth.” (Psalm 33:6)

Yes, If I’m in error, I’ll choose: “The heavens declare the glory od God, and the firmament sheweth His handiwork.”(Psalm 19:1)

Sorry I did not see your final note, until I had made my final notes!


50 posted on 03/22/2011 4:22:46 PM PDT by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward. (Anonymous)
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To: calex59; JDW11235

While neither evolution or creation can be proven scientifically, here’s some food for thought:

One of these statements is true:

1. Matter/Energy do not exist.
2. Matter/Energy are eternal.
3. Matter/Energy spontaneously generated out of nothing.
4. Matter/Energy were created.

Option #1 is falsified by the Scientific Method.
Matter & Energy are observed everyday.

Option #2 is falsified by the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics which states (basically) that energy is running down and we will eventually have no usable energy left. At that point we will suffer “heat death”....the sun can not burn forever, it will eventually run out of fuel. If the universe were eternal, this would have happened already.

One more thing on this.... secular science is all-in on the Big Bang theory, admitting that there was a beginning and therefore the universe is not eternal.

Option #3 - Spontaneous generation is falsified by the 1st Law of Thermodynamics (By natural processes, energy cannot be created or destroyed), The Law of the Conservation of Matter (By natural processes, matter cannot be created or destroyed although it can change form) and the Law of Cause and Effect (every effect must have a greater and preexistent cause).

That leaves us with Option #4... that matter and energy were created. This does not violate any natural law.

Can I prove that the universe was created? No. I can’t. However, natural law itself has falsified all the other options..... Naturalists, who believe only in nature and in nothing Supernatural have to ignore natural law to believe what they believe.


66 posted on 03/23/2011 10:06:44 AM PDT by schaef21
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