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Religion may become extinct in nine nations, study says
BBC News ^ | March 22, 2011 | Jason Palmer

Posted on 03/22/2011 8:51:02 AM PDT by van_erwin

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To: himno hero
Christianity has been the largest contributor to modern man with the inventions, technologies, commerce, political thought, philosophy and ideas right down to the Magna Carta.

Didn't the Red Chinese just admit this recently in a study?

21 posted on 03/22/2011 9:30:41 AM PDT by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Would you have a citation referencing a sale of a first edition of Voltaire’s work selling for $.11 in 1876? I find that pretty hard to believe.


22 posted on 03/22/2011 9:33:03 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Obama. Chauncey Gardiner without the homburg.)
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To: himno hero
Christianity has been the largest contributor to modern man with the inventions, technologies, commerce, political thought, philosophy and ideas right down to the Magna Carta.

And the hospital and the pendentive dome.

23 posted on 03/22/2011 9:33:40 AM PDT by MarMema (chains we can believe in)
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To: van_erwin
Reasons for the decline:

1. 2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears (or big ears like Obama); and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables [Government and false doctrine].

2. Fire and Brimstone preaching has been lost because pastors and evangelist are ashamed of the gospel and shun from warning people about the fire and brimstone of HELL.

3. Humanism is on the rise and has successfully permeated Government leadership in the world. These humanism Government leaders have used humanism to supplant God as the source of man's subsidence on earth. Liberal are big proponents of humanism, i.e., believe in the Government, it will save us, believe in Christ rejecting leaders, they will save us, etc.

4. Satan's success program against Christians. Satan does not need to work with unbelievers to convince them, they are already in his grips and lost for ever [Islam]. Satan's entire effort is on a continual attack on Christians. Satan promotes false teachings and false doctrines to deceive many, particularity the weak Christians who have little or no doctrine inside their soul to resist Satanic false doctrines. Satan also attacks the "professing" Christians, deceiving them into thinking that they are true Christians, and then when hard times comes, they fall away, unable to handle it [Tares]. Satan heavily promotes false doctrines which are not Biblical for the Biblical grace of God today, like "salvation by works" [cults like Mormons, Catholics, Jehovah Witness], "tithing" [God's program for Israel], "false doctrine which do not follow the Apostle Paul" [too many religions to mention], "so called Bible scholars who destroy the teaching ministry of the Apostle Paul", "women preachers, who preach a feministic message, not a fire and brimstone message", "self-proclaimed bishops esteemed standing" today's gifts are not elevated bishops, but pastor-teacher and evangelist.

24 posted on 03/22/2011 9:40:14 AM PDT by bibletruth
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To: frogjerk

fact


25 posted on 03/22/2011 9:48:09 AM PDT by himno hero
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To: himno hero
But it is a strong rigid movement. More so than Christianity in the West right now. People looking for direction will naturally go to the “strong new thing” rather than the watered down feminist drivel that is in so many western Churches.

Look at what happened in the East.

26 posted on 03/22/2011 9:50:38 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: erkyl

Yes, but on the other hand, the poor have always been more amenable to the Gospel than the wealthy.


27 posted on 03/22/2011 9:51:10 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo (Mitt Romney: He's from Harvard, and he's here to help.)
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To: van_erwin

Turkey already catagorizes christianity as an extinct religion. IOW you can’t opress what is extinct.


28 posted on 03/22/2011 9:56:17 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: MarMema

... it is endless. Moslems have tried to copy everything.

Even employment, however, the tribalists failed at that too.

Rejecting our roots and the reasons for our success will come at a horrible expense.... just think those who do could end up like muslims as the third world encroaches. What do they call it? Societal failure and breakdown? Feature tribes constantly warring with one another...


29 posted on 03/22/2011 9:56:46 AM PDT by himno hero
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To: van_erwin

Astonishing that Russia is NOT one of these nations ...

I am sensing a revival of religion there, Christianity, no less.


30 posted on 03/22/2011 9:58:29 AM PDT by FroggyTheGremlim (2012 - End of an error)
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To: bibletruth
Reasons for the decline:

2. Fire and Brimstone

I agree with your point #2. The threat of everlasting torture after death by a loving God has been very effective historically.
I can see where Islam will replace Christianity over time as they not only threaten the population with everlasting torture after death if you don't believe, but with torture and death here on earth if you leave the religion.
Religion without coercion is relatively ineffective.

31 posted on 03/22/2011 10:03:18 AM PDT by Riodacat (And when all is said and done, there'll be a hell of a lot more said than done......)
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To: erkyl
From the article: “The idea is pretty simple,” said Richard Wiener of the Research Corporation for Science Advancement, and the University of Arizona.

Dick Wiener. (snort)
32 posted on 03/22/2011 10:10:24 AM PDT by crosshairs (Appeasement is surrender in slow motion.)
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Didn’t Karl Marx write the religion is the opiate of the masses?

Yes, Karl Marx did write that, and he was wrong about many other things, as well.

33 posted on 03/22/2011 10:12:59 AM PDT by HKMk23 (It won't be "Justice" until wicked people fry.)
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To: HKMk23

Marxism is the opiate of the stupid.


34 posted on 03/22/2011 10:14:03 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: van_erwin

Religion is as necessary as air. There will no extinction of religion - just a replacement of one set of beliefs by another, and, if history is any guide, the old beliefs will remain bubbling just under the surface, showing up in the way holidays are celebrated and the idioms people use to communicate.

Of course, the replacement of spiritual religion by the economic religion of Marx is the wet dream of the West. It won’t happen because economics is a poor substitute for God. On the other hand, I wouldn’t be surprised to see what kind of interesting iterations of God show up in those places where religion is supposedly going extinct.

And, yes, Islam is going to be a part of that. That’s too bad; their system of belief is rather barbaric, and that will be a shock to the comfortable middle-class securalists of central Europe and Ontario. Then they’ll have to make a choice, and I can bet it won’t be atheism.


35 posted on 03/22/2011 10:20:14 AM PDT by redpoll
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To: dfwgator

LOL. Yes, but I’d argue it’s more like their cocaine, because it leads to megalomania, overconfidence, and an absurd sense of invincibility, which all contribute to an eventual overreach that precipitates downfall.


36 posted on 03/22/2011 10:22:31 AM PDT by HKMk23 (It won't be "Justice" until wicked people fry.)
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To: Thane_Banquo

I was raised in the Catholic Church but have since studied comparative religious services in several European countries, Asia, Japan, Africa, NZ and AU. My sister was a catholic nun but converted to the Orthodox faith.

I believe I have discovered the common trait which
all services and religious communities share. It is universal. It is money. For some reason all religious groups require vast amounts of money. All groups managed to request money within five minutes.

I was talking to a black fellow, a member of the Shona tribe, in Zimbabwe. Peter had converted to the Latter Day Saints but had returned to his traditional religion. I asked him why and he said he could not afford to go to the Christian Church because he was a poor man and the demand for money was constant. The local shaman would settle for a chicken but the LDS wanted cash.

He then asked me a question. As a safari guide he meets people from all over the world. He asked me why the French stink and why the British were cheap and never tip. Peter is one of my favorite people and demonstrated great insight into many aspects of human behavior.

BTW, if you followed WWll, you might note that God was supposedly on the people on all sides of the conflict. Many of the countries that suffered the most are on the list. I think once you have seen first hand man’s inhumanity to man (and beast)it is difficult to believe God gives a rat’s ass about you personally.


37 posted on 03/22/2011 10:33:49 AM PDT by TxDas (This above all, to thine ownself be true.)
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To: redgolum

I am looking.... what the east generated is failure... a massive number if illiterate, “unemployed and disenfranchised youth”.


38 posted on 03/22/2011 10:36:07 AM PDT by himno hero
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To: van_erwin

Apparently not.

You can’t call a nation “Christian” when its inhabitants are not believers.

There is truly no such thing as a “Christian nation.” Christianity defies geographical boundaries and inhabits only the heart and mind. Remember that when Constantine tried to force the church on Romans, his attempts institutionalized and corrupted the body.


39 posted on 03/22/2011 10:57:43 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: van_erwin
The team took census data stretching back as far as a century from countries in which the census queried religious affiliation: Australia, Austria, Canada, the Czech Republic, Finland, Ireland, the Netherlands, New Zealand and Switzerland.

By the same token based on the birthrates in those nations, they themselves are going extinct. So when do we invade and start colonizing?

There is no one living more on blind faith and religious irrationalism than those who call themselves 'irreligious' anyway.

40 posted on 03/22/2011 11:00:16 AM PDT by Liberty1970 (Ephesians 2:8-10)
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