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22 March 2011Just who | US Navy Vet

Posted on 03/22/2011 8:37:43 AM PDT by US Navy Vet

Just who or what authorized in the 1700s the US Constitutional Convention and what or who authorized the disestablishemnt of the Articles of Confederation?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government
KEYWORDS: antifederalist; usconstitution
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This is for all of you US History buffs out there.
1 posted on 03/22/2011 8:37:49 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: US Navy Vet
It would have to have been the “several states” all 13 to be exact.
2 posted on 03/22/2011 8:41:29 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: US Navy Vet
The answer is no one.

The whole proceeding was actually, technically illegal in that sense. But it was attended by those in power under the Articles of Confederation and they realized at that convention that if they didn't draft a new constitution, it was only a matter of a short while that things would fall apart badly.

3 posted on 03/22/2011 8:43:00 AM PDT by Jim W N
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To: US Navy Vet
The answer to both questions is the states assembled in convention. The individual state legislatures decided/voted to send or not send delegates to the Constitutional Convention, and by ratification the states decided that the Articles of Confederation were superseded by the US Constitution.

This right of the states, in cooperation with Congress, still exists in Article V.

4 posted on 03/22/2011 8:45:22 AM PDT by WarEagle (Can America survive a President named Hussein?)
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To: Jim 0216

Correct.

The Articles of Confederation were one step removed from anarchy, the Federal Government was far too weak to be effective under that form of government.

The Federal Government needs to have a certain amount of power to be effective and constraints on that power needed to be defined, the Constitution defined those limitations.


5 posted on 03/22/2011 8:46:53 AM PDT by gjones77
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To: US Navy Vet
jpsh is right. It was the people, delegating their rights to the states, to conduct the business of government, which produced a republic.
6 posted on 03/22/2011 8:47:28 AM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: US Navy Vet
see Oyster Wars; Annapolis Convention
7 posted on 03/22/2011 8:47:46 AM PDT by SCPatriot77
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To: US Navy Vet
No access to google?
Articles of Confederation

The Articles of Confederation, formally the Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union, was the first written constitution of the United States of America and specified how the national government was to operate. The Second Continental Congress appointed a committee to draft the Articles in June 1776 and sent the draft to the states for ratification in November 1777.

The Constitution

Before the Constitution was drafted, the thirteen colonies operated under the Articles of Confederation, created by the Second Continental Congress. The national government that operated under the Articles of Confederation was too weak to adequately regulate the various conflicts that arose between the states.[2] These divides included a dispute between Maryland and Virginia over the Potomac River and Rhode Island's imposing taxes on all traffic passing through it on the post road that linked all the states. As the Articles of Confederation could only be amended by unanimous vote of the states, any state had effective veto power over any proposed change.[3] In addition, the Articles gave the weak federal government no taxing power: it was wholly dependent on the states for its money, and had no power to force delinquent states to pay.[4] On January 21, 1786, the Virginia Legislature, following James Madison's recommendation, invited all the states to send delegates to Annapolis, Maryland to discuss ways to reduce these interstate conflicts.[2] At what came to be known as the Annapolis Convention, the few state delegates in attendance endorsed a motion that called for all states to meet in Philadelphia on May 14, 1787 to discuss ways to improve the Articles of Confederation in a "Grand Convention."[2] Rhode Island, fearing that the Convention would work to its disadvantage, boycotted the Convention entirely in hopes of preventing any change to the Articles. When the Constitution was presented to the United States of America, Rhode Island refused to ratify it.

Basically, both documents were adopted by the legislatures of the several states, so their legitimacy is tethered to the legitimacy of the state legislatures.
8 posted on 03/22/2011 8:48:33 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Sulzberger Family Motto: Trois generations d'imbeciles, assez)
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To: gjones77
The Articles of Confederation were one step removed from anarchy, the Federal Government was far too weak to be effective under that form of government. The Federal Government needs to have a certain amount of power to be effective and constraints on that power needed to be defined, the Constitution defined those limitations.

This is bull crap. Under the articles the Colonies managed to beat the world's superpower in a protracted war. How weak again?

If the federales were any more "effective" we would be a communist country now.

9 posted on 03/22/2011 8:51:32 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: US Navy Vet
Just who or what authorized in the 1700s the US Constitutional Convention and what or who authorized the disestablishemnt of the Articles of Confederation?

The Congress of the Confederation authorized it.

10 posted on 03/22/2011 8:52:38 AM PDT by Hoodat (Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. - (Rom 8:37))
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To: jpsb

Well, 12 of the 13, anyway...


11 posted on 03/22/2011 8:53:13 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: US Navy Vet

Initially, it was called under the rules of the Articles of the Confederation to settle some disputes between Maryland and Virginia over the Potomac River and Rhode Island’s imposing taxes on all traffic passing through it on a post road. This was called under the authority of the Second Continental Congress. During this time, Madison suggested that the Articles of Confederation were inadequate to solve these issues.

January, 1786, the Virginia Legislature, following Madison’s recommendation, invited all the states to send delegates to Annapolis, Maryland to discuss ways to reduce these interstate conflicts. (the Annapolis Convention).

During the Annapolis Convention, it was determined a new Constitution was needed.. and the rest is history.


12 posted on 03/22/2011 8:55:12 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Jim 0216
The answer is no one. The whole proceeding was actually, technically illegal in that sense.

Wrong. The Continental Congress actually authorized it and sent word to the states to send delegates for the purpose of amending the Articles of Confederation. All states except Rhode Island sent delegates. It was a follow-on the the Annapolis Convention held the previous year which was attended by five states.

http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h368.html

13 posted on 03/22/2011 8:56:22 AM PDT by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: US Navy Vet

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.


14 posted on 03/22/2011 8:59:35 AM PDT by frithguild (The Democrat Party Brand - Big Government protecting Entrenched Interests from Competition)
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To: Pharmboy

I don’t know. Do you?


15 posted on 03/22/2011 8:59:41 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: central_va
Under the articles the Colonies managed to beat the world's superpower in a protracted war.

Only because we had another superpower fighting with us. Under the Articles, Washington's army damn near starved to death even after the Battle of Yorktown but before the peace was signed.

16 posted on 03/22/2011 9:01:23 AM PDT by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: US Navy Vet

The Articles of Confederation were subsumed by the Constitution.


17 posted on 03/22/2011 9:02:33 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Jim 0216

In January 1786 at the instigation of James Madison, Virginia invited all the states to a special meeting at Annapolis in September to discuss commercial issues.

Beginning on September 11, 1786, the Annapolis Convention was held to discuss some issues of interstate trade. Attendance was low, with only 5 of the 13 states being represented (New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, and Virginia) and only 12 total delegates attending.

On September 14, 1786, Alexander Hamilton introduced a resolution, applying for the convening of a special convention in Philadelphia for the purpose of amending the weak Articles of Confederation for a number of serious defects.

The Congress of the Confederation endorsed the plan to revise the Articles of Confederation on February 21, 1787.

Twelve states (all but Rhode Island) accepted the invitation to attend and sent delegates to convene in May 1787.

By mid June, the delegates to the Convention decided among themselves that rather than amend the existing Articles of Confederation, they would instead propose an entirely new Constitution.


18 posted on 03/22/2011 9:05:48 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: gjones77
That's also correct. The Constitution was the best political balance of power and restraint the world had ever seen.

Afterwards in answer to the question of what kind of government they had formed, Franklin famously said, "A republic, if you can keep it."

It appears man is not very well able to keep the best, most benign, yet strongest government ever known to exist. The main reason in my view: the U.S. Constitution is essentially pro-individual freedom and anti-government. Almost immediately and over time, the bounds of government were eroded by the incursion of those in power. In the end in this wicked world, the lust for power strong-arms the love of freedom even when the law of the land demands limited government.

The conclusion: there is only One who is ready, willing and able to govern and rule in the affairs of man - the Prince of Peace who is coming soon. (Before He comes, of course, a phony world ruler will come and bring final world-wide desolation, unwittingly clearing the decks, so to speak, for the True King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

19 posted on 03/22/2011 9:11:10 AM PDT by Jim W N
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To: thefactor

The answers are above; basically, the individual colonies (they weren’t states yet, I believe, until the Constitution was ratified) through their legislatures authorized the ConCon in 1787, with General Washington presiding. Ratification was no cakewalk, with Madison ultimately agreeing with George Mason and Patrick Henry to add the BoR.


20 posted on 03/22/2011 9:12:14 AM PDT by Pharmboy (What always made the state a hell has been that man tried to make it heaven-Hoelderlin)
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