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Why can't we just let the Libyans fight it out (...and then make friends with the winners)
The Daily Mail ^ | March 20, 2011 | Peter Hitchens

Posted on 03/20/2011 4:13:01 AM PDT by Scanian

Politics seems to have become a sort of mental illness. We have no bloody business in Libya, and no idea what we hope to achieve there.

We are daily told that we have no money to spare. We have just scrapped a large part of our Navy.

Our Army is stuck in an Afghan war whose point nobody can explain. And now we have set out on a course that could drag us into a long, gory brawl in North Africa.

And yet, when the Prime Minister announces this folly he is praised. Why? Partly it is because we all watch too much TV. Its reports simplify, then exaggerate.

Reporters, much like politicians, like to feel they are helping to make history, and get excited by subjects they knew nothing about until last Wednesday.

Before we know where we are, we are taking sides in quarrels we don’t understand. Who are the Libyan rebels? What do they want? Why do we love them so?

I’ve no idea, and nor has Mr Cameron, as we discovered when he (yes, it was him, not poor William Hague) sent the SAS to see them and they were welcomed with pitchforks and mockery.

The only sensible policy in Libya is to wait and see who wins, and then make friends with them. If you think this heartless, you are of course right. Foreign policy is heartless. Nice countries end up being conquered or going bankrupt. But it may be no more heartless than our kindly interference.

I pray that this episode ends quickly and cleanly. Perhaps it will. But we cannot know. What if our humanitarian bombs and missiles accidentally kill women and children (which is almost certain)? What if air attacks and distant shelling fail to stop Gaddafi’s forces?

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: cameron; gaddafi; interference; libya
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To: Scanian; org.whodat
"permanent vacationer"

It's a toss-up to me.

Does he do more damage when he is on vacation? Or following out his orders in the white hut?

141 posted on 03/20/2011 6:20:34 AM PDT by bigheadfred (THE ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE HAS BEGUN)
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To: Sarah-bot

Your glib calls for a policy of extermination, of a ‘will to kill” which presumebly includes wiping out unarmed civilians, characterizes you as a civilan. Our service men and women are professionals and hold themselves to a higher moral standard. Meanwhile it begs the question, how will we “win” in Libya with such tactics that you call for??


142 posted on 03/20/2011 6:21:57 AM PDT by KantianBurke (Hey Tea Party folks - what about Social Security reform?)
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To: wtc911

I define this war as training, because of the total superiority of the Allied (U.N.)forces. Don’t throw around the word idiot lest you be one.


143 posted on 03/20/2011 6:22:21 AM PDT by Sarah-bot
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To: bigheadfred

It is in support of those men that I’m calling bull****.

If they are murderers, what we are doing in Libya is murder.

OK! Now I get it.


144 posted on 03/20/2011 6:23:55 AM PDT by wita
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To: KantianBurke

My service men have been getting killed because of your liberal unwillingness to kill. Collateral damage is an ugly reality of war, but it is also the tool that liberals have been using to kill are men.


145 posted on 03/20/2011 6:25:08 AM PDT by Sarah-bot
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To: Sarah-bot

Your callous disregard for innocent life, delusions as to modern warfare, and kneepadding obama is disturbing.

I am convinced you are a plant from DU here to stir up trouble.


146 posted on 03/20/2011 6:25:53 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (Who needs Al Queda to worry about when we have Obama?)
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To: JaneNC
Why? Because genocide would happen. And Quadaffi would kill thousands.

they're all mussies , they kill you the first chance they get. Who are the bad guys in this civil war, the Mussie brotherhood or Quadaffi ,

The way I see it both sides are evil ,let them fight it out amongst themselves .

147 posted on 03/20/2011 6:26:06 AM PDT by piroque (Southern born and Raised,Love "G R I T S")
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To: Sarah-bot

148 posted on 03/20/2011 6:26:34 AM PDT by KantianBurke (Hey Tea Party folks - what about Social Security reform?)
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To: bigheadfred

Thanks, got to 118 before I got to 122, which answered whatever my original question was. 118 cleared up a bunch.


149 posted on 03/20/2011 6:26:56 AM PDT by wita
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To: JaneNC

And the rebels won’t do the same thing if they come out on top?
You need to get a grip on reality, here.


150 posted on 03/20/2011 6:27:53 AM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Are you insane. Have you really not studied WW2, WW1, any war. You amount to the people who packed picnic baskets during the Civil War.


151 posted on 03/20/2011 6:29:07 AM PDT by Sarah-bot
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To: KantianBurke

I bet you are sexier in person.


152 posted on 03/20/2011 6:30:10 AM PDT by Sarah-bot
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To: Sarah-bot

Talking to yourself again? That’s a bad sign. I’d suggest putting down the donut and going for a walk. Good day.


153 posted on 03/20/2011 6:33:25 AM PDT by KantianBurke (Hey Tea Party folks - what about Social Security reform?)
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To: wita
OK! Now I get it.

Great!

Now GET ON IT.

Rep. Allen West is going to bat for these men.

Send him a quick e-mail at this address. It doesn't have 2 B a dissertation. Just set them FREE!

angela.sachitano@mail.house.gov

I admit a personal agenda. One of them is my nephew.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2661688/posts

154 posted on 03/20/2011 6:34:59 AM PDT by bigheadfred (THE ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE HAS BEGUN)
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To: KantianBurke

No I was talking to you. And this conversation can deteriorate to “ I know you are but what am I?” If you really want it to.


155 posted on 03/20/2011 6:35:34 AM PDT by Sarah-bot
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To: JaneNC
Why? Because genocide would happen.
And Quadaffi would kill thousands.

LOL! Have you seen the "rebels??" - Ever met any of these wonderful people?

Here, let me modify your post:

Why?
Because genocide would happen.
And Quadaffi the rebels would kill thousands.

156 posted on 03/20/2011 6:37:51 AM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: GlockThe Vote

It is callous by the way. That is why I don’t like to think about what it will take us to win against radical Islam.


157 posted on 03/20/2011 6:42:13 AM PDT by Sarah-bot
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To: KantianBurke

Ever feel like banging your head against a brick wall?

I can move over a step to give you some room...teehee


158 posted on 03/20/2011 6:43:13 AM PDT by bigheadfred (THE ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE HAS BEGUN)
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To: Sarah-bot; armymarinemom

>In the future, the rebels may turn out to be bad,

In the future??? These are just islamic tribes jostling for power.

Right. What a complete failure of logical thought.

If we are on the “good” side now by supporting the more radical islamic tribes that have been supressed in Libya then the good side in Iran is the Mullahs and the current government in Iran.
They are different parts or areas comprising the exact same thing that shares the exact same goal.


159 posted on 03/20/2011 6:47:14 AM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: Sarah-bot
You amount to the people who packed picnic baskets during the Civil War.

That really happened...

160 posted on 03/20/2011 6:48:31 AM PDT by GOPJ (http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php - It's only uncivil when someone on the right does it.- Laz)
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