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Allen West to birthers: focus on Obama policies instead
Palm Beach Post ^ | February 23rd, 2011 | by George Bennett

Posted on 03/16/2011 5:38:50 PM PDT by EternalVigilance

West speaks to a crowd of about 400 at Tuesday night's town hall meeting in Jupiter.

JUPITER — Toward the end of a 90-minute audience Q&A session at Tuesday night’s town hall meeting, U.S. Rep. Allen West, R-Plantation, was asked by former Indian Trail Improvement District board member Christopher Karch whether President Obama is “legally there or not.”

“Who is going to tell us who this man is? Is he legally there or not?” said Karch. “What are we going to do to ensure that, if he isn’t legally there, it doesn’t happen again?”

Said West: “I will tell you this: That is the dog chasing its tail. The most important thing is, it’s the policies. That’s what we have to be standing on.”

The crowd of about 400 applauded, but Karch wasn’t satisfied.

“But if he’s not, it’s treason,” Karch said.

Said West: “You will waste more time worrying yourself to death about that instead of making sure that you expand the majority in the House of Representatives, you win back the U.S. Senate so that you can stand against the policies that are emanating out of the White House…

“What is your objective? Your objective is getting back to a constitutional republic principles and values. If you spend your time worrying about someone’s citizenship, you will never get to that objective.”

West didn’t offer his own opinion on Obama’s citizenship during the public forum. So PostOnPolitics asked him after the meeting.

“He is a citizen. He’s the president. I mean, that’s all I know. I am concerned about his policies,” West said.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: certifigate; naturalborncitizen; obama; west
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To: EternalVigilance

Yes, it does. There is NO justification for you to demand anyone to carry to term the offspring of Ted Bundy. You’re blowing smoke out your arse.


301 posted on 03/17/2011 12:26:30 AM PDT by pissant ((Bachmann 2012 - Freepmail to get on/off PING list))
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To: pissant
Let's be real about what it is we're discussing. Warning, not for the squeamish. If you don't want to see the reality of what abortion really is, don't click on the link. You've been properly warned.
302 posted on 03/17/2011 12:26:46 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (TATBO - Throw All The Bums Out!)
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To: noinfringers2
I did have a very favorable opinion of West. However. when he dismisses millions of ‘birthers’ concerns about Obama’s eligibility as a non Constitutional worthy issue I put him in the so-so political category.

Obama's problem is not that he isn't eligible to be President. As a matter of fact and law, he's a Natural Born Citizen. Just as much as his buddy and ghost writer Billy Ayers. The truth is, Obama's problem is not that he's not an American in law. It's that he isn't an American in his own mind! You can't depend on a Constitution written 200 years ago to defend against that! Yet, due to the lazy ignorance of the Sheeple, he happens to lead the country. To get rid of him, we will have to persuade those ignorant masses who put him where he is!

And for that, you need a guy with a clue. And, judging by this article, Col. West qualifies!

303 posted on 03/17/2011 12:28:22 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: pissant
There is NO justification for you to demand anyone to carry to term the offspring of Ted Bundy. You’re blowing smoke out your arse.

My only "demand" is that innocent human beings not be murdered, as our Constitution imperatively demands.

Women who are the victims of rape who then murder their own child only compound the violence and bring much deeper harm to themselves than the rapist could ever do via their violent act.

Conversely, those who carry the innocent child to term, even if they then decide to give the child up to an adoptive home, actually find healing in that loving act.

304 posted on 03/17/2011 12:34:04 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (TATBO - Throw All The Bums Out!)
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To: EternalVigilance

Fortunately, you won’t ever get your demand. Justice dictates that rapists cannot wantonly choose innocent women to carry their offspring.


306 posted on 03/17/2011 12:50:12 AM PDT by pissant ((Bachmann 2012 - Freepmail to get on/off PING list))
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To: pissant

If those are convicted rapists, they should die for that offense, in my opinion, as I’ve already stated.

But again, no crime they may have committed could ever justify the killing of a completely innocent little baby.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

If these kids are nothing more than evil “spawn,” as you call them, would you have any problem with killing them after they were born? Say when they’re a week old, or two years old?


307 posted on 03/17/2011 12:53:18 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (TATBO - Throw All The Bums Out!)
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To: EternalVigilance

The rights of the woman, in the case of rape, outweigh the rights of the unborn. IOW, there is no RIGHT WHATSOEVER for a rapist to determine who can be the mother of his child. You want to give that choice to these scumbags, as long as they are sly and violent enough to pull it off.


308 posted on 03/17/2011 12:57:27 AM PDT by pissant ((Bachmann 2012 - Freepmail to get on/off PING list))
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To: pissant
The rights of the woman, in the case of rape, outweigh the rights of the unborn.

So, you don't believe the self-evident, plain-as-the-nose-on-your-face, truth that "ALL men are created equal, endowed by their Creator with certain UNALIENABLE rights."

And "that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men."

309 posted on 03/17/2011 1:03:18 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (TATBO - Throw All The Bums Out!)
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To: pissant
You want to give that choice to these scumbags

If a child is conceived, it's not by the rapist's "choice." It is by God's choice. He's the Creator of all life. And once that life has been created, He is the only one who can rightfully take that life, unless the individual is convicted on a capital offense, or in the commission of justifiable homicide, or in the carrying out of a just war. God has commissioned human government with the governance of the latter, giving it the executive power of the sword to punish evildoers. Read Genesis chapter nine and Romans 13.

310 posted on 03/17/2011 1:09:34 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (TATBO - Throw All The Bums Out!)
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To: EternalVigilance

It is an unalienable right for Ted Bundy to choose who should carry his offspring? Exact opposite. It is a grotesque violation of another Human beings right to Liberty, the pursuit of happiness and to choose who to procreate with.


311 posted on 03/17/2011 1:13:20 AM PDT by pissant ((Bachmann 2012 - Freepmail to get on/off PING list))
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To: pissant

It is a grotesque violation. But adding the murder of an innocent child to the violation in no way mitigates it. In fact, it compounds it beyond belief.


312 posted on 03/17/2011 1:16:02 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (TATBO - Throw All The Bums Out!)
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To: EternalVigilance

So when you and your wife decide to have children or not to have children, that’s God’s choice? What kind of nonsense is that? Since when did you believe in Pre-destination? GOd gave man free will. THere is fat chance that God is choosing that a rapist rape.


313 posted on 03/17/2011 1:16:36 AM PDT by pissant ((Bachmann 2012 - Freepmail to get on/off PING list))
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To: EternalVigilance

No it doesn’t. Just as ‘collateral damage’ in war does not make the war unjust.

Just as a nation may defend itself and its heritage from hostile takeover, so too can an individual.


314 posted on 03/17/2011 1:18:17 AM PDT by pissant ((Bachmann 2012 - Freepmail to get on/off PING list))
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To: pissant
So when you and your wife decide to have children or not to have children, that’s God’s choice?

Of course it is. If he didn't create the child there would be no child.

"All men are created." This is self-evidently true.

Since when did you believe in Pre-destination?

What's that got to do with anything?

GOd gave man free will.

He sure did. But that isn't a license to butcher a child.

THere is fat chance that God is choosing that a rapist rape.

There's fat chance that God chooses that men commit any heinous act. But He triumphs nonetheless. One of His specialties is in bringing good out of what was meant for evil.

315 posted on 03/17/2011 1:23:19 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (TATBO - Throw All The Bums Out!)
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To: pissant
Just as a nation may defend itself and its heritage from hostile takeover, so too can an individual.

The child is innocent. It is not a hostile invader. It is a human being, made in God's image and likeness, of infinite value and worth, no matter how big a sinner his or her father may have been.

316 posted on 03/17/2011 1:25:37 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (TATBO - Throw All The Bums Out!)
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To: pissant
I'll ask again:

If these kids are nothing more than evil “spawn,” as you call them, would you have any problem with killing them after they were born? Say when they’re a week old, or two years old?

317 posted on 03/17/2011 1:29:55 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (TATBO - Throw All The Bums Out!)
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To: EternalVigilance
Of course it is. If he didn't create the child there would be no child.

He created the universe as well. That does not mean God is busy creating every grain of sand. What He set in motion takes care of itself. Do you think He plans for this bank along the shore to cave in on Feb 16th and that horse to eat a particular patch of grass on Oct 4th? Of course not. You have the distinct ability to not pro-create. Is that God's "choice" too? Of course life is miraculous and part of his creation. As is the planet, grass and sand. But He is not a micro-manager.

What's that (pre-destination) got to do with anything?

You said it was God's "choice" whether Mr and Mrs EV were going to have children. That simply is not so. God's miracle has made life possible. He is not demanding all humans procreate. He has given us free will.

He sure did. But that isn't a license to butcher a child.

Nor is it a license for you to tell ANYONE they must procreate with an agent of evil.

318 posted on 03/17/2011 1:37:57 AM PDT by pissant ((Bachmann 2012 - Freepmail to get on/off PING list))
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To: pissant
It should be noted once again that when you add the word "except" behind the Declaration's "all men" and the Constitution's "no person" and "any person" you have assured that abortion on demand under any circumstances will continue until the judgment falls, since you have destroyed every moral, constitutional, philosophical, and legal argument against abortion and the foundational basis for our form of government, our laws, and our claim to liberty.
319 posted on 03/17/2011 1:40:04 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (TATBO - Throw All The Bums Out!)
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To: pissant
What He set in motion takes care of itself.

So, what, now you're a Deist?

320 posted on 03/17/2011 1:41:20 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (TATBO - Throw All The Bums Out!)
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