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LIVE thread & Breaking News ~ Japan
Various | 15 March 2011

Posted on 03/15/2011 8:13:35 AM PDT by SE Mom

Latest news from Japan:

From the BBC-

1456: Tepco says it may start pouring water from a helicopter over Fukushima Daiichi's reactor four in the next few days, to cool the spent-fuel pool.

1439: A 30km (18 mile) no-fly zone is in place around Fukushima, says the IAEA.

1436: The IAEA says Monday's blast at Fukushima may have affected the integrity of the containment vessel - there are fears of more serious radioactive leaks if happen.

1435: Following earlier reports, it appears there has been more than one strong aftershock in Japan - AP reports two tremors measuring over 6.0 within three minutes of each other.

Twitter-

-US Geological Survey counts 451 aftershocks since the initial earthquake struck Japan Friday. 238 of them registered magnitude 5.0 or more.

-Despite situations in Japan & Libya, spksmn Jay Carney says Pres Obama's 5-day trip to Brazil, Chile & El Salvador starting Fri night is on.

-FLASH: More U.S. military personnel in Japan testing positive for low-levels of radiation, relief missions to continue - Navy 18 minutes ago via web


TOPICS: Breaking News; Front Page News; Japan; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bwr; earthquake; fukushima; genpatsushinsai; iaea; japan; japanearthquake; japaneathquake; japannuclearplants; ki; nuclear; radiation; tsunami
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To: SE Mom

Great find!

The workers are very brave.


1,481 posted on 03/17/2011 11:44:43 AM PDT by Palladin (Obama, Ayers, Dohrn, Trumka: birds of a feather.)
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To: fred2008

You forgot the link.


1,482 posted on 03/17/2011 11:45:23 AM PDT by Palladin (Obama, Ayers, Dohrn, Trumka: birds of a feather.)
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To: fred2008

Remember that the levels can go a good bit higher than “normal” and be considered quite safe. Normal is a relatively low number agreed upon by various nuclear groups across the world- but it’s not related to what’s “safe”.


1,483 posted on 03/17/2011 11:46:13 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: All

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1367125/Japan-tsunami-Fukushima-Fifty-suicide-mission-battle-nuclear-meltdown.html

National television has interviewed relatives of the workers, who the plant operators insist on keeping anonymous, with one woman saying her father had accepted his fate ‘like a death sentence’.

A woman said her husband continued to work while fully aware he was being bombarded with radiation. He sent her an email saying: ‘Please continue to live well, I cannot be home for a while.’ The workers are known as the Fukushima Fifty because they rotate into contaminated areas in teams of that number.


1,484 posted on 03/17/2011 11:48:27 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Raebie

That’s certainly how one would read it, though it could just be a statement of policy/procedure.

However, it is theoretically possible some Japanese passengers had substantial exposure if they were close to Fukushima. The trace particulates they are picking up at the airport are in way too low a range to generate any immediate, visible symptoms, so a serious exposure, if any, would have to have happened at or near Fukushima, either a very hot local plume or an unshielded gamma event. Without more knowledge of their exact travel pattern, it’s hard to know.

Also keep in mind some symptoms of stress greatly resemble some stages of serious exposure (nausea, lightheadedness, etc.), and airport security would have to give any such complaints a worst case presumption, by design.


1,485 posted on 03/17/2011 11:57:19 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: WestCoastGal; bgill
I asked about the widespread use of masks the last time I was in Japan (late 1998) and my hosts told me that people that were sick (cold, flu, etc.) wore them to prevent the spread of their infection to others. That seemed to be the party line about it, however a couple of other guys told me on the side that a lot of people wore them for the opposite purpose, i.e., to prevent catching the germs from others. So I assume that it is probably a mix across both motivations.
1,486 posted on 03/17/2011 12:03:33 PM PDT by zzeeman ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.")
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To: Palladin

http://www.ustream.tv/channel-popup/live-radiation-monitoring-from-west-la

Link for S. Cal. radiation monitor feed...


1,487 posted on 03/17/2011 12:35:28 PM PDT by fred2008
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To: Errant; All

Your flippant jingoism is repugnant. You are disgusting. Worse yet, you are not even alone in it on this thread! Take your “Jap”-bashing elsewhere!


1,488 posted on 03/17/2011 12:39:06 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama, recreating-in-chief until Fri, Jan. 20, 2017.)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica
The nature of my work is to think ahead 3-4 steps.

Just 3? Geez. :-)

I'm In the same line of work for data DR. You "what if" until you get to the point of "if x ever happens just gimme a beer and let me kiss my butt goodbye"

1,489 posted on 03/17/2011 12:41:03 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (I don't prep for the disaster. I prepare for the rebuilding.)
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To: fred2008

What is it reading? 34 what?


1,490 posted on 03/17/2011 12:41:24 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: SE Mom

So sad...


1,491 posted on 03/17/2011 12:43:31 PM PDT by sissyjane (Did you plug the hole yet Daddy????)
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To: SE Mom
“The machine that cools the reactor is just by the ocean, and it was wrecked by the tsunami...

Wow. So they knew early on the severity of the situation ?

1,492 posted on 03/17/2011 12:44:17 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: tet68

I tried to look up the manufacturer

Gamma Sensitivity
3340 CPM/mR/hr referenced to Cs-137. Smallest detectable level for I-125 is .02 µCi at contact. Timer can set 1 minute sampling periods from 1 to 10 minutes.
Operating Range
mR/hr - .001 (1µR) to 100 mR/hr CPM - 0 to 350,000
µSv/hr - .01 to 1000 CPS - 0 to 5000
Total/ Timer - 1 to 9,999,000 counts
Accuracy
mR/hr ±10% typical (NIST), ±15% max - 0 to 100
µSv/hr ±10% typical (NIST), ±15% max - 01 - 1000
CPM ±10% typical (NIST), ±15% max - 0 to 350,000
(Referenced to Cs-137)

Of course, I’m lost as to what that means.

anyone?

http://seintl.com/products/inspector%2B.html


1,493 posted on 03/17/2011 12:53:40 PM PDT by WestCoastGal (SL I believe hes a remarkable race-car driver, I think some people in the world have forgotten that)
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To: SE Mom

Accurate reporting shall dribble out. Including how as this post indicates, the Japanese simply did not do a good job of making their nuclear power plants as safe as they could have been. Even days back we read about how their systems keep the holding trays for spent fuel to high for easy access in case of reactor problems. Plus it is now coming out how they have not performed many of the upgrades on their systems that US facilities are required to do.


1,494 posted on 03/17/2011 12:57:32 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....Duncan Hunter Sr. for POTUS.)
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Monitoring in San Francisco

1,495 posted on 03/17/2011 1:03:02 PM PDT by WestCoastGal (SL I believe hes a remarkable race-car driver, I think some people in the world have forgotten that)
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To: WestCoastGal

You’re sweet, thanks.
I’d guess it reads in either one.
Are you still on the coast? Be careful.


1,496 posted on 03/17/2011 1:03:15 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: SE Mom
...one woman saying her father had accepted his fate ‘like a death sentence’

Sad. But I thought this wasn't dangerous?

1,497 posted on 03/17/2011 1:04:52 PM PDT by McGruff
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To: tet68

No - I’m in Texas now.

Had to bail out of California, but it will always be my home state. I lived there since I was 2, so it’s hard to give it up. Used to be a great place.


1,498 posted on 03/17/2011 1:14:16 PM PDT by WestCoastGal (SL I believe hes a remarkable race-car driver, I think some people in the world have forgotten that)
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To: WestCoastGal

http://www.samaritanspurse.org/index.php/articles/pray_for_japan/


1,499 posted on 03/17/2011 1:17:23 PM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: tet68

I found a website with the Channel 5 report on that radiation counter

http://www.enviroreporter.com/

It’s on the right side - he said if it gets into the 100’s there will be reason for concern.


1,500 posted on 03/17/2011 1:24:55 PM PDT by WestCoastGal (SL I believe hes a remarkable race-car driver, I think some people in the world have forgotten that)
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