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LIVE thread & Breaking News ~ Japan
Various | 15 March 2011

Posted on 03/15/2011 8:13:35 AM PDT by SE Mom

Latest news from Japan:

From the BBC-

1456: Tepco says it may start pouring water from a helicopter over Fukushima Daiichi's reactor four in the next few days, to cool the spent-fuel pool.

1439: A 30km (18 mile) no-fly zone is in place around Fukushima, says the IAEA.

1436: The IAEA says Monday's blast at Fukushima may have affected the integrity of the containment vessel - there are fears of more serious radioactive leaks if happen.

1435: Following earlier reports, it appears there has been more than one strong aftershock in Japan - AP reports two tremors measuring over 6.0 within three minutes of each other.

Twitter-

-US Geological Survey counts 451 aftershocks since the initial earthquake struck Japan Friday. 238 of them registered magnitude 5.0 or more.

-Despite situations in Japan & Libya, spksmn Jay Carney says Pres Obama's 5-day trip to Brazil, Chile & El Salvador starting Fri night is on.

-FLASH: More U.S. military personnel in Japan testing positive for low-levels of radiation, relief missions to continue - Navy 18 minutes ago via web


TOPICS: Breaking News; Front Page News; Japan; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bwr; earthquake; fukushima; genpatsushinsai; iaea; japan; japanearthquake; japaneathquake; japannuclearplants; ki; nuclear; radiation; tsunami
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To: justa-hairyape

Yes, I heard on NHK that the cannon was from the something that sounded like a cross between police and military.

To be forthright, the helicopter did not appear to me to have much effect. Similarly, I have some difficulty imagining that a water cannon aimed from below would achieve getting much water into the SFP. Hopefully they either have something up their sleeve like a long sturdy bent pipe for accurate delivery, or they can restore power and pumps, or a convoy of fire trucks with police escort arrive on the scene and they use those trucks. I recall hearing at one point they needed to clear the roads in order for the fire trucks to arrive. The experts on NHK did express reasonably high confidence that one of these solutions would work, but who knows (certainly not me).


1,341 posted on 03/17/2011 12:31:44 AM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
High-pressure water cannons deployed riot police arrive

福島第一原子力発電所の3号機を冷却するため、地上から放水作業を行う警視庁の機動隊の「高圧放水車」は、午後3時47分に第一原子力発電所で配置に着きました。

Unit 3, for cooling of the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station, the police riot water cannon from the ground to do "high-pressure water cannons" are arranged in a nuclear power plant arrived in the first 47 minutes at 3:00 pm.

放水角度などを調整したうえで、放水を始めるものとみられます。

The discharge angle and adjusted Ue, is expected to begin watering.

3月17日 16:10更新 Updated March 17 16:10 ▲ページトップへ 防衛相 “午後は水投下しない”

Defense Minister, "Do not drop the afternoon water"

北澤防衛大臣は、17日午後1時すぎに総理大臣官邸に入り、その際、記者団に対し、「ヘリコプターを使った水の投下作業は、きょうはもうやらないと思う。このあと地上からの放水を行うことになる」と述べました。

Sawa Kita Defense Minister, the Prime Minister too much into the residence at 1:00 pm on October 17 that time, told reporters, "Working with helicopters dropping water, I do not do anymore today. From the ground after this discharge would do, "he said.

1,342 posted on 03/17/2011 12:37:40 AM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: SteveH
Picture of Fukushima NPP site from yahoo


1,343 posted on 03/17/2011 12:52:58 AM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
The robots would definitely help with the water cannons right now!

The Chinese appear to have a jet powered water canon.

Video: China's New Water Cannon Is Powered By A Jet Engine.


1,344 posted on 03/17/2011 12:54:29 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: SteveH

English kyodonews reporting

prospect of massive blackout in tokyo thursday

government proposal to stop trains to keep tokyo in power

http://english.kyodonews.jp/


1,345 posted on 03/17/2011 1:00:37 AM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: SteveH
From BBC Tweet

0825: Low concentrations of radioactive particles are heading eastwards from Fukushima towards North America, a Swedish official is quoted as saying by Reuters. Lars-Erik De Geer, research director at the Swedish Defence Research Institute, a government agency, was citing data from a network of international monitoring stations, but stressed the levels were not dangerous for people.

1,346 posted on 03/17/2011 2:21:19 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
Will keep the thread alive during the night. A pdf file with some hard radiation readings in Japan.

Readings at Monitoring Posts Out of 20 KM Zone of Fukushima Dai-ichi NPP

1,347 posted on 03/17/2011 3:09:10 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
BBC Tweet

1012: Japan's speaker of the upper house has suggested the country should consider closing the Tokyo stock market and foreign exchange market for a week, Kyodo news agency reports.

1,348 posted on 03/17/2011 3:26:07 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

Have they got that new electric line run yet anyone know? That was the word a few hrs ago when I went to sleep.


1,349 posted on 03/17/2011 3:52:00 AM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Insane, Corrupt Democrats or Stupid, Spinless Republicans - Pick America's poison.)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica

There has been a claim that they have partial power now. Unfortunately partial power could mean a lot of things.


1,350 posted on 03/17/2011 4:21:07 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
Yeah. Know what you mean. But if they had partial power to #5 and #6 and they can get partial power back to a couple more, they have a chance of getting the problem cut down to size at least.

wishful thinking I suppose.

1,351 posted on 03/17/2011 4:23:51 AM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Insane, Corrupt Democrats or Stupid, Spinless Republicans - Pick America's poison.)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica
BBC Tweet

1048: Ken Mogi in Tokyo tweets: "Just in: NHK says spraying of water from ground onto reactor abandoned due to operation difficulty and high radiation"

1,352 posted on 03/17/2011 4:25:15 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
high radiation"

Don't sound like they got squat in control. And sounds like those rods might well be uncovered.

1,353 posted on 03/17/2011 4:27:19 AM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Insane, Corrupt Democrats or Stupid, Spinless Republicans - Pick America's poison.)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica

They lost control the instant that Tsunami hit. Just took them a while to realize that.


1,354 posted on 03/17/2011 4:35:39 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
BBC Tweet.

1040: Russian President Dmitry Medvedev describes the situation at Japan's nuclear power plant as a "colossal national disaster" and catastrophe, Reuters report. He said he hopes it will not cause serious problems elsewhere.

1,355 posted on 03/17/2011 4:42:07 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
"colossal national disaster"

Ya know, I try not to be a fear monger and I hope this doesn't come out like I am. But I gotta go with this one. Not on its face value, but from strictly an analytical perspective. All the attention that this nuke situation has drawn worldwide has drawn attention from their humanitarian crisis and help that might be offered because of that attention.

They apparently have next nothing, not even trained rescue dogs, to look for the dead and dying in all that rubble. I don't have any idea how long it's going to take to remove all that debris but it ain't gonna be anytime soon, let alone the rebuilding.

1,356 posted on 03/17/2011 4:56:02 AM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Insane, Corrupt Democrats or Stupid, Spinless Republicans - Pick America's poison.)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica

I gotta say, all this talk about helo’s dropping water and especially fire trucks with riot sprays all sounds like nothing but a hope and a prayer. Sheer desperation cause they don’t know what else to do. They’re trusting to luck.


1,357 posted on 03/17/2011 5:02:58 AM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Insane, Corrupt Democrats or Stupid, Spinless Republicans - Pick America's poison.)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica

Their biggest problem was petrol according to the videos I saw. Which means many cannot even evacuate if they want. The Chinese have sent them some petrol apparently.


1,358 posted on 03/17/2011 5:09:37 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica

Gonna get some rest. Might be a zoo around here later today.


1,359 posted on 03/17/2011 5:12:28 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

cya later :)


1,360 posted on 03/17/2011 5:15:25 AM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Insane, Corrupt Democrats or Stupid, Spinless Republicans - Pick America's poison.)
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