Posted on 03/12/2011 3:14:43 PM PST by Nobel_1
Three of Fukushima Daiichi's six reactors were in operation when yesterday's quake hit, at which point they shut down automatically and commenced removal of residual heat with the help of emergency diesel generators. These suddenly stopped about an hour later, and this has been put down to tsunami flooding by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).
The loss of the diesels led the plant owners Tokyo Electric Power Company (Tepco) to immediately notify the government of a technical emergency situation, which allows officials to take additional precautionary measures.
For many hours the primary focus of work at the site was to connect enough portable power modules to fully replace the diesels and enable the full operation of cooling systems.
(Excerpt) Read more at zerohedge.com ...
Question...and I”m no scientist...but could they use supercooled items like Liquid Nitrogen or equvalent? Or would that not be a good combination with nuclear elements? and even if you were able to get LN02,how would you circulate it without power? I guess I just answered my own question but seawater doesn’t seem nearly cold enough all by iteslf. My prayers to the scientists and engineers obviously putting their lives on the line to control this.
Re: super critical
good one - CNN is in overdrive ...
Just found this latest status website:
http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/11031301-e.html
A very-cold liquid like Liquid Nitrogen would flash to gaseous state immediately and cause an serious explosion. You want to use a coolant that stays in phase, a liquid that stays liquid or a gas.
Outstanding post, Thanks for putting this up. Best explanation of what’s going on that I have read yet.
There is no doubt that there are serious problems over there with these particular reactors, and the fact they are still relatively intact despite surviving both a magnitude 9.1 earthquake and the resultant tsunami is testament to the sound engineering that went into them in the first place.
It sound to me like some of the measures being taken, such as seawater injection for cooling, will probably destroy the internal workings of these reactors and likely require extensive replacement of a lot of expensive components. While it isn’t over yet, this accident is not anywhere near out of control and there still has not been a major radiation release; (and I mean something on the scale of a Chernobyl).
Hopefully this will help calm some of the chicken-little mentality....
ping
Nope. It would just explode the unit and throw the fuel inside everywhere. You have to ramp things down smoothly as reactors are basically atom bombs in super slow motion so they can be kept in a feedback loop.
Normally some plants can take days or even weeks to fully shutdown and that is with full power, full staff, no earthquake/tsunami damage.
Right now they are dealing with damaged systems operating way outside any normal environment with limited resources.
The seawater and boric acid is a last ditch effort to avoid some local, albeit serious, contamination.
“will probably destroy the internal workings of these reactors and likely require extensive replacement of a lot of expensive components”
From what I understand is that these are very old reactors that were due to be decommissioned rather soon anyways. Either way Japanese firms are extremely nationalistic and will almost always put country ahead of profit so I’m positive every decision is being made with safety solely in mind.
Thank you SO much for the ping and the pointer from the other thread. This thread is sorely needed on FR at this time. Like most people, I don’t understand the technology at all, but sure appreciate the opportunity to be more informed by those of you with real world education and experience.
In the early morning hours when this story was first breaking there were posters giving and taking internet medical advice about administering KI, and it was quite alarming to see. Your voice(s) are so important now and I hope some of you will have a lot of time to post over the next several days.
Thanks again!
Here are the official press releases from the company.
http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/index-e.html
The initial 9.1 quake is down at number 42.
Thanks and bookmark
Any way this can be force-fed to CNN, Fox and all these other knee-jerk reactionaries who faint, then wake to go rabid about anything nuclear?
The drawing with the loops showing flow is of a PWR plant. instead of the BWR that was affected by the tsunami.
Control rods in a BWR enter from the bottom of the reactor.
Underneath.
Duly noted, I’ll get the mod to pull it.
As a former Senior Reactor Operator at a large PWR and with BWR experience. Yup. That is what happened (is happening). This scenario is the perfect storm. No Power, No way to get pre-planned Resources on board, No way to change crew perhaps.
I feel horrible for the operators there and wish to all my heart I could help them.
In 2007 I was in a special team assigned to figure out how to cope with scenarios EXACTLY like this. I knew it was going to Containment Flooding yesterday.
After Fukushima Unit 1 blew off the sheet metal building, Did anyone assess the Spent Fuel Pool? The Pool has to have sustained damage. Further, there has to be wreckage IN the Pool, impinging on Spent Fuel Assemblies in their racks. We don’t know if the explosion blew the water out of the pool either. HORRIBLE EVENTS.
GE reactors are upside down. The control rods penetrate the bottom of the reactor and move upward in order to insert negative reactivity. The motive force for this is, HCUs (Hydraulic Control Units). The fluid is Water (not oil). There are accumulators to ensure that there is pressure to move the Control Rods up into the Core.
When you pass Ridiculously Critical and start emitting plaid, we'll know to take cover.
/Spaceballs
It's nice that we have a broad enough user base that we have folks who're conversant in almost any given field for accessible, local expertise. TEPCO's website seems to be pretty forthcoming with frequent status updates, as well.
Driving home Friday evening, I heard an ABC Radio News' 'nuclear expert' state that the reactor 'might explode'. There wasn't much detail in the report, but the clear implication was that a weapons-type explosion was imminent. Nuc physics and engineering isn't my field, but even as an interested layman I know that that just isn't going to happen- even in a worst-case scenario. What passes for news coverage in this country is a national embarrassment.
I can't believe the hyperventilating going on over this, on CNN and by some here on FR.
Nuclear power seems to cause people to lose their ability to reason.
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