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To: GVnana

Private Are ok. Govenrment ones should be banned.


6 posted on 03/12/2011 10:41:45 AM PST by screaminsunshine (34 States)
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To: screaminsunshine

I think all unions should be a choice. I was a forced AFL-CIO factory worker and hated it but needed the job.

I wanted to get paid on my merits rather than what the union and company negotiated for all.


12 posted on 03/12/2011 10:45:47 AM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: screaminsunshine

In the private sector unions, there is a “Last Man Standing” rule that applies to the companies that are signatory to specific union locals.

Example: In a given city, there are 6 construction companies that are union contractors, signatory to the Carpenters union that has a total of 150 members and the IBEW electrical workers that have a total of 130 members.

In a bad economy, two of the companies go bankrupt, and two shut down because the owners decide to retire from business.

Under the “Last Man Standing” rule, the two contractors remaining in business are responsible for the pensions of ALL THE UNION MEMBERS in the Carpenters and IBEW, regardless of whether those workers were ever employed by them!

http://cei.org/sites/default/files/Vincent%20Vernuccio%20-%20Union%20Pensions%20in%20Crisis.pdf

http://www.openmarket.org/2010/10/18/killed-by-honest-accounting/

http://www.workerfreedom.org/big-labor-backs-democrats-hopes-pension-a3828
Most large unions enroll their employees in a multiemployer defined benefit pension system. Operating under the “last-man-standing” rule, every employer is liable for every retiree in the pool. Initially thought to reduce risk by pooling pensions together, the real result has been to burden employers with bankrupt companies’ pension payments. The underfunding of multiemployer pension plans is so pervasive that in 2009 Moody’s estimated that multiemployer plans were underfunded by $165 billion.


14 posted on 03/12/2011 10:46:18 AM PST by griswold3 (Character is destiny)
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To: screaminsunshine

Private Are ok.

Agree, but no payroll deduction of dues should ever be legal. Otherwise, the employer is participating in coercion.

It would be one thing if the deduction only covered negotiation expenses, but as it stands now, the worker’s money is being taken to pay for activities and causes he doesn’t know about and wouldn’t otherwise support.

In a sane society, that is called theft.


19 posted on 03/12/2011 10:54:11 AM PST by Go_Raiders (The wrong smoke detector might just kill you - http://www.theworldfiresafetyfoundation.org)
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To: screaminsunshine

Private unions are just as bad. They keep excellent employees from being promoted because of the seniority of horrible, lazy *ss employees.. Companies (like electrical) aren’t allowed to select the employees they want, they have to take the next employee by seniority in the union or both the company and employee will suffer the wrath of hell.

I know of one company right now that has more work than they can do and because of the union practices of the above can’t get qualified employees to do the extra work they would like to do. so, the work is backed up and the union thugs just sit and wait for the NEXT IN LINE sorry excuse for an electrician. No company with an ounce of integrity is going to hire an employee who doesn’t care if they do a good job (which is what is left of the UNION THUGS available).

And this is a right to work state.


35 posted on 03/12/2011 11:11:14 AM PST by kcvl
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