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GOP Senators Introduce National 'Right-to-Work' Bill to Restrict Unions
FoxNews.com ^ | 3/9/2011

Posted on 03/12/2011 10:32:19 AM PST by GVnana

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FWIW:

In brief:

Closed shop: You have to be in the union to get hired, and stay in the union to keep working. Outlawed in 1947. (though there’s still some equivalents in the construction trades)

Union shop: You have to join the union once hired, then keep paying dues to keep working. Getting kicked out of the union doesn’t get you fired as long as you keep paying dues.

Agency shop: You can be hired and work without joining the union, but have to pay either dues or an “agency fee” to the union in order to keep working.

Open shop: No membership or dues paying required.


121 posted on 03/12/2011 3:08:47 PM PST by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: okie01
Its disgusting that its taken this long to put these communist bastards down, and make no mistake about it, the union leadership is made up of communists and the mafia.

For Congress to pass federal legislation that allow unions to force employers to deduct dues from employees wages is subversive, to force employees to pay dues or agency fees or be fired is slavery; this is just a ridiculous situation that has been allowed to go on for far too long.

There is a goddamn communist in the White House this very minute because of the unions, and they and the CPUSA are going down in flames as payback.

122 posted on 03/12/2011 3:33:16 PM PST by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: ArmstedFragg
Do you mean closed shop or union shop? In most fields, closed shops are illegal.

There I go again, commenting on something I don't know squat about.

Yes, I must've meant "union shop".

123 posted on 03/12/2011 4:58:05 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: ArmstedFragg
Do you mean closed shop or union shop? In most fields, closed shops are illegal.

There I go again, commenting on something I don't know squat about.

Yes, I must've meant "union shop".

124 posted on 03/12/2011 4:58:09 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: ArmstedFragg
In general, right to work laws prohibit union shops.

California is a "right to work" state and that hasn't worked out too well. Once the unions are in, they control the field.

125 posted on 03/12/2011 5:12:13 PM PST by GVnana
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To: GVnana

No, California is not a “right to work” state.


126 posted on 03/12/2011 9:28:09 PM PST by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: bmwcyle

If it is up to states to decide whether to let the public sector unions bankrupt them then such states should get zero federal relief when they run out of money.
Texas should not have to pick up the tab for irresponsible left wing states.


127 posted on 03/12/2011 9:28:18 PM PST by Clump (the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: Doctor 2Brains

I disagree. There’s nothing wrong with collective bargaining in the private sector providing there’s no thuggery, nor coercion to join the collective body.


128 posted on 03/12/2011 9:45:07 PM PST by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: Gene Eric

You are 100% wrong. The thuggery and coercion begin the very moment an employer cannot fire an employee for organizing against the employer’s private interest.


129 posted on 03/13/2011 5:33:19 AM PDT by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: Doctor 2Brains

You’re saying I’m wrong based on a contradiction of what I’ve stated.

Thuggery and coercion should be dealt with in a legal, but forceful manner. I’m not arguing the effectiveness of law enforcement.

There’s no reason why employees could not negotiate with an employer as a group. To say that should be outlawed is insane. No agreement, no employment. Someone else can fill the jobs.


130 posted on 03/13/2011 5:42:10 AM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: Gene Eric

You say coercion is bad. COERCION BEGINS THE MOMENT I CANNOT FIRE YOU FOR ORGANIZING AGAINST MY INTEREST ON MY OWN PRIVATE PROPERTY. PERIOD! I never said (unless I was a bit carried away) that unions should be illegal. You want to join a union, FINE! I want to fire you the second you do so, FINE! No coercion anywhere. It’s called freedom. Unions can only exist because the FED GOV says I cannot decide who I work with on my own private property. The FED GOV does this in order to purchase votes for the Democrat party. Period.


131 posted on 03/13/2011 6:48:58 AM PDT by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: Vendome
You say that a lot...

I don't know how that happened. I could've inadvertently double clicked, but not that many times. My computer was acting strangely yesterday; don't know if it was the computer or the internet connection, but I'm blaming it on the gremlins.

132 posted on 03/13/2011 7:06:10 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: Raider Sam
You dont have to work there in the first place, so you are not compelled to do anything. That is the principle of individual liberty.

I would agree with you if individual liberty cut both ways vis-a-vis the unions. In that case, employers would be equally at liberty to sign a binding union agreement or a strict non-union agreement with employees. Unions would be entitled to represent their own members but would have no standing to represent those who chose not to join. Employers would be under no obligation to rehire strikers (a strike is just collective quitting). But none of this is the case. Federal labor law since the 1930's has entrenched union privilege. I'd be all for a restoration of a level playing field.

133 posted on 03/13/2011 7:13:35 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: dirtboy

As much as I like the idea of this legislative proposal I would think the Federal government is not permitted to involve itself in state labor arrangements.

However, there may be 14th amendment protections through the federal courts and I would be curious to know if cases have surfaced along these lines in the past.


134 posted on 03/13/2011 7:27:44 AM PDT by Hostage
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To: Rome2000

Thanks for the case background.

It seems Warren and other feeble minds neglected to acknowledge the single most salient fact before them, that the Communist Party in all its manifestations was and is a foreign and domestic enemy of the United States.


135 posted on 03/13/2011 8:00:18 AM PDT by Hostage
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To: Doctor 2Brains

Excluding your numerous “YOU” references, we don’t seem to disagree. The issue is coercion, and the law should be strengthen to prevent it.

Collective bargaining that involves taxpayer funded resources should be outlawed. In private sector, I have no problem with it providing the coercion factor is managed.


136 posted on 03/13/2011 8:33:40 AM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: Gene Eric

Do you or do you not agree that I should be able to fire anybody the very moment he joins a union. THAT is managing coercion. If I cannot fire you, I am being coerced by the government to continue to hand an employee my private property (cash) even though he is organizing on my private property against my private interests, all in the name of buying democrat party votes. Yes or no — can I fire you for joining a union?


137 posted on 03/13/2011 8:41:42 AM PDT by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: Clump

Where in the Constitution does it say that the Federal Government needs to pass any money to the states other then support the defined items such as defense of the nation?


138 posted on 03/13/2011 9:31:50 AM PDT by bmwcyle (It is Satan's fault)
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To: sphinx

Burn em!

LOL


139 posted on 03/13/2011 9:42:57 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: bmwcyle

It doesn’t. And the practice is just encouraging more corruption and failed progressive policies. I’m with you.


140 posted on 03/13/2011 11:44:36 AM PDT by Clump (the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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