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BREAKING: Feeding tube restored to immigrant woman unable to pay Jesuit hospital
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| 3/11/11
| Peter Smith
Posted on 03/11/2011 3:23:18 PM PST by wagglebee
Rachel Nyirahabiyambere and one of her grandchildren.
WASHINGTON, D.C., March 11, 2011 (LifeSiteNews.com) A Rwandan immigrant woman and survivor of the horrors of the 1994 genocide who had her feeding tube removed because a U.S. Catholic-affiliated hospital deemed her care too expensive, apparently will not die of starvation and dehydration thanks to a court order and the efforts of her children.
Rachel Nyirahabiyambere, a 58-year-old grandmother and refugee from war-torn Rwanda, had been denied food and water since Feb. 19 after her feeding tube was removed by order of her court-appointed guardian. Now 21 days later and still alive, another court has ordered Rachels feeding tube reinserted at the request of her familys new legal counsel.
Rachels family has sought legal assistance from the Alliance Defense Fund, which has intervened in the case, against Rachels court-appointed guardian, who was appointed at the behest of Georgetown University Hospital.
The New York Times first broke the plight of Rachel Nyirahabiyambere, a Rwandan grandmother, who once had to survive in the jungle in order to escape the genocide and later the violence in the refugee camps. Rachels sons immigrated to the United States as refugees, where they worked their way up from menial jobs to obtain masters degrees.
Rachels sons brought her to the United States, where she found work that gave her health care benefits, but she lost those benefits by leaving her job to follow her oldest son to Virginia and help take care of his grandchildren. Generally, U.S. health insurance is employer-based, and not portable for an individual that switches jobs.
Rachel was thus without insurance when suffered a severely disabling stroke. She was cared for by Georgetown University Hospital without remuneration for eight months, until the hospital convinced a court in December to remove guardianship from the family to a lawyer recommended by the hospitals attorney.
Andrea Sloan took over as Rachels guardian, and removed Rachel to a nursing home in Millersville, Maryland. The Times reported that the hospital then offered to pay for Rachels nursing home care, but had never extended this offer to Rachels family before Sloan took over as guardian.
Sloan then decided to remove Rachels feeding tube on the basis that Rachel was consuming too many health care resources to stay alive.
She explained her reasoning for having the feeding tube removed to the Times in an e-mail: Generically speaking, what gives any one family or person the right to control so many scarce health care resources in a situation where the prognosis is poor, and to the detriment of others who may actually benefit from them?
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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; concerntrolls; euthanasia; feedingtube; immigration; moralabsolutes; nyirahabiyambere; onlyforaliens; prolife; refugees; rwanda; terrischiavo; terryschivo
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To: RFEngineer
Okay, I read a few more of your comments.
Your underhanded passive/aggressive (but less on the passive side) nastiness especially towards BykrBayb makes me very uncomfortable - aka as disgusted and angry.
I notice that leftists in general and those who are often (over)educated in fields such as psychology often accuse others of being made “uncomfortable” because the (over)educated smart one is trying to get them to open their minds to “truth” etc. IOW, you’re a regular leftist smartass trying to “help” us knuckledragging rubes see reason, in a sort of psychological frog testing way.
Yeah, that makes me uncomfortable, aka as disgusted.
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posted on
03/12/2011 3:53:43 PM PST
by
little jeremiah
(Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
To: RFEngineer; wagglebee; BykrBayb; little jeremiah; metmom
Im fascinated that nobody wants to answer it. I most certainly DID answer you. It wasn't the answer that you wanted so you ignored it.
Post 110
I gave you a link and definitions for charity. Second to thelast line in my post: Well golly! That looks like the answer is "No".
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posted on
03/12/2011 3:56:21 PM PST
by
DJ MacWoW
(America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
To: metmom
“Projecting is also revealing of a person’s character. “
I asked a question that nobody wants to answer - you posited a bunch of theories on my motives for asking - none of which were supported by anything of substance - only vitriol.
So exactly who was project what to whom?
I asked the question “Are there limits to charity? Should there be?”
It was that simple. Now you’ve extrapolated all sorts of garbage from your unwillingess to answer an honest question. Who’s character should be called into question? Mine?
To: little jeremiah
Lj, that is a great post!
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posted on
03/12/2011 3:59:20 PM PST
by
trisham
(Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
To: WVKayaker; Dr. Brian Kopp; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; Lesforlife; ...
I am a Christian. I believe God is still God. I do not think we should do things that keep people ARTIFICIALLY alive, and have a "living will" that agrees with that sentiment. Really? FOOD and WATER are keeping people "artificially alive"?
You think that if a person is unable to EAT or DRINK and we have the means to help them that we should just leave it to God?
I believe that in Matthew 25:31-46 our Lord tells us EXACTLY how we are to treat those in need. Perhaps your Bible omits it.
[31] And when the Son of man shall come in his majesty, and all the angels with him, then shall he sit upon the seat of his majesty. [32] And all nations shall be gathered together before him, and he shall separate them one from another, as the shepherd separateth the sheep from the goats: [33] And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left. [34] Then shall the king say to them that shall be on his right hand: Come, ye blessed of my Father, possess you the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. [35] For I was hungry, and you gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and you took me in:[36] Naked, and you covered me: sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me. [37] Then shall the just answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, and fed thee; thirsty, and gave thee drink? [38] And when did we see thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and covered thee? [39] Or when did we see thee sick or in prison, and came to thee? [40] And the king answering, shall say to them: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me.
[41] Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels. [42] For I was hungry, and you gave me not to eat: I was thirsty, and you gave me not to drink. [43] I was a stranger, and you took me not in: naked, and you covered me not: sick and in prison, and you did not visit me. [44] Then they also shall answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister to thee? [45] Then he shall answer them, saying: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it not to one of these least, neither did you do it to me.
[46] And these shall go into everlasting punishment: but the just, into life everlasting.
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posted on
03/12/2011 3:59:30 PM PST
by
wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: trisham
I used some coarse language though.
186
posted on
03/12/2011 4:02:49 PM PST
by
little jeremiah
(Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
To: DJ MacWoW
I did not ignore you - you closed the discussion with your answer by saying “goodnight”
You posted definitions, and said “no”, which is as close an answer as I’ve gotten. I’m sure you had a deeper point, but you didn’t wish to discuss it. So I didn’t.
To: RFEngineer
Whos character should be called into question? Mine?*******************************
Who's is a contraction of "who is" .
Your arrogance is showing. It's completely unjustified, given the above. It's been clear from the very beginning that you have an agenda here, and it's not pro-life.
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posted on
03/12/2011 4:06:00 PM PST
by
trisham
(Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
To: RFEngineer; wagglebee; BykrBayb; little jeremiah; metmom
You posted definitions, and said no, which is as close an answer as Ive gotten. Im sure you had a deeper point, but you didnt wish to discuss it. So I didnt. What a wagon load of garbage. I answered you. There was NOTHING to debate. Charity has no limits.
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posted on
03/12/2011 4:08:25 PM PST
by
DJ MacWoW
(America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
To: little jeremiah
I’m off for the evening, but I’ll get to your post later.
I think you’ll find you’re off base, and that my nastiness was only returning fire in kind.
I can take it and I can dish it out. So what?
To: RFEngineer
Your purpose is obviously to cause ire and disturbance, use tricksterism to befoul the discussion, keep the attention on acrimony (created by yourself) between you and others, while pushing your agenda by stealth. You keep the discussion focused not on the topic at hand but on yourself as the star/victim of the show, and I am very familiar with those tactics. Leftists, especially (over)educated ones, do this all the time.
You are extremely dishonest in both tactics and purpose and I will not engage with you again, just as I avoid piles of dog poo on the sidewalk.
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posted on
03/12/2011 4:15:14 PM PST
by
little jeremiah
(Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
To: WVKayaker
You use the Bible to justify murdering the helpless? That’s simply unbelievable.
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posted on
03/12/2011 4:15:49 PM PST
by
trisham
(Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
To: wagglebee
I respect your mind , but I see a lack of faith. If it so important TO YOU, send the money to the hospital, and forget God and His power.
Jesus words were for comfort, and His actions were all Godly. Are we not JOINT HEIRS able to call on our Father, in Heaven, not the resident Dr...
We can argue, but your faith is obviously in a different place. Sorry to bother your consciences with God! Keep complainiing about us and don’t bother replying to me. Preach to your choir! They all have the same mind... But it does NOT seem like the mind of God, to me.
Good night and may you know the Mind of God!
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posted on
03/12/2011 4:16:29 PM PST
by
WVKayaker
("When Sarah Palin speaks, people listen!" - EF Hutton)
To: little jeremiah
There are times that coarse language is justified, friend.
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posted on
03/12/2011 4:18:56 PM PST
by
trisham
(Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
To: trisham
Murder?
Grow up and gain a little wisdom before you make such claims.
I’m not debating such childish thoughts... and hope you learn to learn...
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posted on
03/12/2011 4:23:17 PM PST
by
WVKayaker
("When Sarah Palin speaks, people listen!" - EF Hutton)
To: WVKayaker; Dr. Brian Kopp; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; Lesforlife; ...
I respect your mind , but I see a lack of faith. Our Lord told us to give food and drink to the hungry and thirsty, comfort the sick, I believe Him and you call that a lack of faith?
Jesus words were for comfort,
Correct, He said that if we did these things we would have everlasting life, that is comforting. Unfortunately, YOU advocate not doing them.
We can argue, but your faith is obviously in a different place.
Yes, your faith and mine is quite obviously in a different place.
Preach to your choir! They all have the same mind... But it does NOT seem like the mind of God, to me.
"To me," is the operative statement in what you wrote.
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posted on
03/12/2011 4:24:12 PM PST
by
wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: WVKayaker; wagglebee
but I see a lack of faith. Really? Do you play with snakes?
Jesus' words are to be taken literally.
And the knowledge to heal comes from God. My God is a huge God that can work through doctors. I don't keep Him in a box. It's too bad your god is only allowed to work within your parameters.
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posted on
03/12/2011 4:24:18 PM PST
by
DJ MacWoW
(America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
To: DJ MacWoW
This is a blood curdling thread.
198
posted on
03/12/2011 4:25:55 PM PST
by
little jeremiah
(Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
To: little jeremiah
It is. And it’s amazing that anyone would suggest God can only heal in one way, THEIRS. God does amazing things and uses His people to do them.
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posted on
03/12/2011 4:28:13 PM PST
by
DJ MacWoW
(America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
To: DJ MacWoW
With God all things are possible.
The way HE wants them to happen, and when.
All we can really do, as tiny souls, is to decide Who to serve, or what to serve.
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posted on
03/12/2011 4:30:05 PM PST
by
little jeremiah
(Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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