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To: jda

I totally agree.

The other little fact is that with “rights” come responsibilities.

I just know that libs, socialists and union goons aren’t quite up to speed on that concept, though.


2 posted on 03/10/2011 2:07:57 PM PST by Howie66 (I can see November (2012) from my house.)
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To: Howie66

Oh yes they are. They just think it’s your and my responsibility to pay the wages they think they are due, and to let them do any damned thing they please.

We can agree that they don’t think they have any responsibility, unless it’s to steal from us.


9 posted on 03/10/2011 2:12:48 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Here's the proof of Obama's U. S. citizenship: " " Good enough for our 3 branches...)
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To: Howie66
The pursuit of happiness includes the right to contract.

The earliest legal question about unionism was whether or not workers had a right to contract with their employers.

That was back in the days when the "right to property", which really meant the right to own slaves, not the right to own land, resources or your "stuff", was considered paramount.

More recently we've all pretty much decided that even IMPLIED contracts are valid.

No doubt in the future there will be some other issue pop up that involves contracts and people will deal with it ~ usually fairly effectively.

Remember, when it comes to contracts, if it ain't one thing it's another!

There are a gazillion arguments about unionism, but what we have here are PUBLIC EMPLOYEES, and not just public employees, but the employees of a state.

A state isn't a business ~ and if it were it's got some strange privileges. For one if you misbehave yourself the state can haul you out and execute you ~ by hanging, injection, electrocution or firing squad. You really don't find many bosses like that.

So, granting that states are "exceptional" we must also note that states can condemn your property and take it for public use, or maybe any use, or as in Connecticut, for what turned out to be no use at all. All they have to do is pay you "just compensation".

The courts have argued over the years that NO ONE HAS A RIGHT TO A GOVERNMENT JOB (unless you've been elected to the job, and then only for the time specified in the Constitution). Noting the overwhelming power of the states, their employees, in the end, public employees have no property rights they can assert against the states ~ at least nothing that can withstand withering legislation. Whatever the states do the courts are going to uphold their authority to do it.

The public employee unions in Wisconsin got their captive Leftwingtard legislators to pretend for a while that Wisconsin was just like a company ~ and they, the employees, could bargain with the state just like they would any other business.

Obviously they were wrong, but that's the issue ~ not "trade unionism" which has more than its fair share of abusive, IGNANT or stupid managements in the private sector to point to as a justification.

Wisconsin has fiscal problems and only the legislature can act to deal with them. The public employee unions had no rights to start with, and now they are going to be IGNORED (to a degree). In fact their private sector compatriots are probably going to approve heartily of the loss of authority claimed by those public employee unionists.

15 posted on 03/10/2011 2:24:49 PM PST by muawiyah (Make America Safe For Americans)
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