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I think you make a very good point.

The “rightist” movements in Europe are not really right. They take pretty much all the votes from the socialists.. It’s the poor, the unemployed etc.

Heck it always was. The nazi’s and commies in Germany before the war exhanged voters and supporters. The SA boys were pretty much socialists. The middle class stayed largely out of it.

Sadly there were a lot of poor in Germany at the time.

"The “rightist” movements in Europe are not really right. They take pretty much all the votes from the socialists.. It’s the poor, the unemployed etc."

Your mistake, here, is that you accept the completely bogus nomenclature of Leftist academic & media premises. The Nazis, for example, were to the right only of the Communists. They were actually to the Left of many other Socialist parties. The right since the French Revolution has been those who would preserve the cultural and material achievements of the past, not those who seek to impose Totalitarian uniformity on a population.

See Compulsion For Uniformity for the common motivations for various Socialist movements; or The Lies Of Socialism, for a much fuller development of the argument here.

You are completely right that the SA boys were socialists, many very radical types, who wanted Hitler to go the full Leninist route. Hitler won the streets from the Communists, basically, by appearing to offer a more effective vehicle for a "new" Germany. He was clearly on the far Left, to those who were looking for such.

(It was no accident that the Nazis blocked the restoration of the Hapsburgs in Austria; that the old Kaiser died in exile in Holland. There was nothing rightwing about the Nazis, except to the propagandists for rival Leftist movements.)

William Flax

I think you make a very good point. The “rightist” movements in Europe are not really right. They take pretty much all the votes from the socialists.. It’s the poor, the unemployed etc.

And the way to sell it to the poor and unemployed is to make note that there is a finite amount of money available for supporting the welfare state, and the net result of allowing poor immigrants will be to collapse the welfare state.

Just ask the native poor: what will you do when the benefit check needs to be shrunk in order to pay for Abdul?