Posted on 03/08/2011 11:47:32 AM PST by King_Corey
I’m wondering if they return to the M-16A2, which would give them the lethality beyound 500 because it has a longer barrel; then give a couple squad members the M-14 like the Marine Corps is doing.
That would be...an M14.
Interesting article which deals with an issue I’m struggling with right now.
Do I build a sweet AR15 or do I just go out and buy an Armalite AR10 or a Panther .308?
Any thoughts?
Actually there are a couple of really good reasons to do just that. Personally I lean towards a highly accurized version of the original AR-10 platform myself. This would accomplish several things.
First our guys would have the advantage of the heavier and more powerful 7.62 NATO cartridge thus extending their lethal range by a factor of nearly 2.
Secondly training time would be drastically reduced. All of the controls are placed identically to the current M16/M4 platform. Scout/sniper recruits are essentially 'pre-trained' on the platform. All they need to do is learn the ballistics of the heavier round.
Third they're not carrying something 'differen't on the battlefield. A weapon that looks identical to the M16 at first glance doesn't scream "I'm the sniper! SHOOT ME FIRST!" at the bad guys.
Then there's the weight differential between this rifle and the M4. Now I don't know if you've ever humped a 65 pound ruck around for days on end. I have and believe me you feel every frigging ounce. Anything that saves weight is a God send to leg, line infantry guys.
So that's 4 pretty good reasons IMO to look at a new weapon system for the 7.62 platform.
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Yes please.
There is a couple more but I keep drawing a blank. One of the Thompson contender rounds was a shorten 308, loaded with a 357 bullet wasn’t it.
How much and how many can i buy? The neat thing about the 30.06 is that not only will it “reach out and touch someone” it will also reach trough and touch ‘em. Ma’ Deuce is really good at that.
You have to ask yourself what's the most likely scenario you'll be facing? If you're looking at SHTF type stuff beyond 600 yards, well the decision is pretty much made.
If you think that isn't very likely given your location, situation, etc. then the Mforgery may be the way to go. Do a "needs analysis" before you buy anything, then select the weapon that fulfills most or all of those needs.
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The M1—30 06—has always been one hell of a weapon. I have an AR 15, 5.56 and it’s a nice weapon. But no comparison to the punch of the M1.
I’m glad you agree that shipping them the old M14s was a crappy idea:)
I believe they used the Springfield as a sniper rifle in the Korean War and Viet Nam, before it was replaced by a specially modified bolt action type rifle.
See
Carlos Hathcock
I have an origiinal M-1. It is a SWEET rifle. I love it - would trust my life with it.
I can see the very real need for longer range rifles in the open deserts and mountains of Afghanistan and the ME. Perhaps such long range was not needed in the jungles of Vietnam. What exactly was wrong about loosing the M14? Note: My son has served in Iraq and Afgh.
Yes.
As far as I am concerned, they can ship as many of them as they want...
...to my house.
One of my favorite books. Should be required reading for anyone considering long range shooting skill improvement.
Springfield makes nice rifles for the money. But their M1A rifles have receivers made from imported castings, not domestic forging like the U.S.G.I. M14’s. The Springfield receivers aren’t built to military specifications, and won’t always accept G.I. parts or attachments.
I was amazed the first time I compared a Springfield M1A receiver with one from a U.S.G.I M1 Garand made at the Springfield National Armory.
Got to get into handload range to let the 30-06 stretch its legs and take advantage of the bigger case.
I did the old DNC match thing years ago in order to get a Garand. The government, being full of dull witted bureaucrats, shipped me two!
I tried to get ahold of an '03 when they still had em but alas they had already ended the program.
But a nice M14 will do nicely.
It was certainly better than doing nothing.
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