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To: Wpin
Organic doesn’t do anything for you my friend...it is the fat that is hurting you.

Actually fat is the main fuel substrate your body uses. Too much carbohydrate as a ratio of the mix, especially in the context of a hypercaloric diet, is the bad thing. Proteins in excess of protein synthesis needs are burned either in the glucogenic or ketogenic pathways, depending on the types of amino acids. And, yes, I am an expert: Ph.D., Human Nutrition/Nutritional Biology, The University of Chicago.

But you're completely right about "organic." The funny thing about "organic" is that in raising crops, "organic" fertilization is useless until microorganisms in the soil break it down into its inorganic components which are then used by the plants. It's better to just start with the inorganics which can be better tailored in their mix for specific crops, soils, and growing conditions. There have also been a number of stories out there about the higher risk of contamination through "organic" agriculture. The main purpose of "organic" food production is to make money from the ignorance of consumers by trying to manipulate their fears about their foods. The main result is higher prices for something of no inherent better quality. It's strictly marketing. It does absolutely nothing to enhance any nutritional value of any food. It may be that some "organic" farmers exercise a higher quality control over what they allow to go to market, but that has nothing to do with how they grew it.
62 posted on 03/08/2011 7:40:53 PM PST by aruanan
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To: aruanan

Actually....it’s the GRASS fed that I look for...the organic isn’t important....but, usually they mark it “organic” when it IS grass fed.


65 posted on 03/08/2011 8:03:51 PM PST by goodnesswins (Unlike the West, the Islamic world is serious.)
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To: aruanan

Heart disease was almost unknown in America 100 years ago, the people ate a lower fat diet then. As we prospered and were able to afford “better” food we turned to eating higher fat diets. To where now the average American eats about 40% fat diet. And, as a result heart disease has skyrocketed. This is not a coincidence, there is plenty of research to back up the correlation between cholesterol, fat and high incidence of heart disease. A diet high in carbohydrates (complex carbohydrates) is proven to be the healthiest diets. Indeed, with the CHIPs program they have about an 80% success rate in helping people reduce their hypertension, and diabetes. In my first two weeks I have NEEDED to get off one of blood pressure pills and to reduce my diabetes medication by a third. This is common with those who follow the vegan lifestyle CHIPs promotes. Indeed, it is not rocket science.

Studies done during WW ll found that people who were placed in concentration camps (and lived) had reduced rates of cholesterol and hence heart disease (at least for several years). When they returned to high fat diets the incidence of heart disease went back up. Studies have shown that Japanese people, who had very low incidence of heart disease 60 years ago (they had a 10% fat diet), increase their incidence of heart disease as they increase the fat in their diet. Indeed, those who moved to Hawaii and got accustomed to the 25% fat diet common there had four times the heart disease of the 10% fat Japanese and those who moved to the mainland US who ate the normal 40% fat diet had ten times the incidence of heart disease as their brethren in Japan.

With all due respect to your educational achievement, I have to disagree with your proposition. Perhaps you will be interested in checking out Dr. Dean Ornish’s success as well as Pritikin, not to mention the CHIPs (Coronary Health Improvement Project) in controlling hypertension, diabetes, and actually reversing heart disease and diabetes...it really is fascinating.

Believe me, I am not a vegetarian, or vegan by nature. I led a meat eaters life. Right up to heart disease, diabetes and cancer. I am sick and tired of taking eight different medications (one of which I have been able to drop) and I desire to live long enough to know my future grandchildren...

In regards to what you said about organic...I will tell you a quick story I think you will like. I interviewed a fellow who owned a vineyard in Michigan. He has a PhD in some food science or agricultural. I assumed he was organic, as he was a ‘sustainable’ business. When I asked him about that, he explained that being responsible environmentally as well as health was not always being organic. Sometimes one can use 1/10th the insecticide or herbicide or what have you of the non-organic that it would take for the “organic” chemical to take care of the problem. Was really an eyeopener for me...

BTW, I have much more energy since I changed my diet and I sleep better, am more regular on my bowel movements, do not get “stuffed” at meals...and without the salt..my taste buds seem to be awakening...kind of like when you quit smoking only more pronounced.

My last meat meal...about three weeks ago now was my mother’s fried chicken...I ate seven pieces! Now I have to figure out to do with the two deer in my freezer, the 22 turkeys and geese I am raising and all those eggs I get from my ten chickens!!!


66 posted on 03/08/2011 8:27:06 PM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: aruanan

One last thing...I came across this from the American Diabetes Association: http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/29/8/1777.long


69 posted on 03/08/2011 8:52:52 PM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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